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Bills could end child support payments from men who aren't biological dads
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Posted on 12/09/2002 9:04:51 AM PST by BuddhaBoy
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Some people would excuse fraud, "for the children"
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posted on
12/09/2002 9:04:54 AM PST
by
BuddhaBoy
To: BuddhaBoy
"Here's someone who had a relationship with the child, established some responsibility for the child ... yet now he doesn't want to be responsible any more but wants parenting time?" she asked. "How does that benefit the child?" Translation: "Money is all that matters. A relationship without ransom paid to the mother is worthless."
To: BuddhaBoy
Will Danny Williams ever know his daddy?
To: E. Pluribus Unum
Meri Anne Stowe, chairwoman of the Family Law Section of the State Bar of Michigan, said she can sympathize with men in such situations, but is more concerned about the children involved. what b.s. Why not assign fathers at random out of the phone book? Seeing as truth and paternity have nothing to do with it?
To: BuddhaBoy
when a man who is not married signs paternity papers, he waives his right to a DNA testThis law should be changed.
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posted on
12/09/2002 9:18:42 AM PST
by
Sungirl
To: BuddhaBoy
"We don't want to illegitimize a whole class of children, and we don't want to impoverish a whole class of children," Stowe said. "We have to look at the greater good." Here is a solution...Why doesn't the mother go after the REAL FATHER for money?
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posted on
12/09/2002 9:18:46 AM PST
by
Portnoy
To: BuddhaBoy
"We don't want to illegitimize a whole class of children, and we don't want to impoverish a whole class of children," Stowe said. "We have to look at the greater good."That's right, truth and justice be damned. Why not place the blame where the blame truly exists? Women who INTENTIONALLY defrauded the males into believing they were fathers should be sentenced to jail for Fraud.
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posted on
12/09/2002 9:19:22 AM PST
by
Hodar
To: BuddhaBoy
They really should just tack on DNA testing to all the other standard tests done at the hospital when the baby is delivered.
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posted on
12/09/2002 9:20:46 AM PST
by
Wolfie
To: Jack Black
Why not assign fathers at random out of the phone book? Who is to say that they wont in time?
The courts are saying that men should pay for children who are not theirs, so why not? This is the direction we are headed in.
This nonsense has to stop.
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posted on
12/09/2002 9:23:31 AM PST
by
BuddhaBoy
To: Jack Black
You might be onto something here. The Federales could simply load all of the males into a database and likewise all of the 'needy' children in the country. A random selection program could be implemented and notices would go out to those selected to start mailing so much in the form of child support. What could be more democratic?
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posted on
12/09/2002 9:23:55 AM PST
by
x1stcav
To: Portnoy
Why doesn't the mother go after the REAL FATHER for money? For the same reason that the mother committed the Fraud in the first place. THE REAL FATHER HAS NO MONEY.
It's like the old joke - "why to crooks rob banks? Because that is where the money is!"
Many women, bless them, have a thing for low-life bad boys who are usually good in the sack, but not good husband or parent material. These women usually have multiple concurrent sexual partners anyway, and they simply choose the man with the most cash to list on the Birth Certificate as father.
They could care less about the parental rights of the NATURAL father, they only care to get paid.
To: Wolfie
They really should just tack on DNA testing to all the other standard tests done at the hospital when the baby is delivered.That's 100% correct. That way, if the wrong father is listed, he can decide if he wishes to take on the role of a father. To me, it's merely a matter of INFORMED CONSENT vs fraud and deception.
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posted on
12/09/2002 9:33:43 AM PST
by
Hodar
To: Hodar
Exactly, give the guy a chance to decide for himself. Don't wait a year and then tell him that the kid is already bonded to him and he has no choice in the matter. Might keep a few women on the up and up as well, since they'll know that the truth will come out right from the start.
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posted on
12/09/2002 9:38:19 AM PST
by
Wolfie
To: Hodar
State Legislators all over the country are fighting against mandatory DNA testing like mad men.
They are trying to hide behind "the needs of children" as their reason, but the true reason that they are against it, is because they know that women commit this fraud because the biological father has no money, and THEY through state aid, are more likely to be the ones that have to pick up financial responsibility for the offspring of the felonious mother.
So, instead of punishing the criminal mother, they instead side with her to extort funds from the man of her choice for their own interests.
To: E. Pluribus Unum
"Here's someone who had a relationship with the child, established some responsibility for the child ... yet now he doesn't want to be responsible any more but wants parenting time?" she asked. "How does that benefit the child
I think these men should not be held accountable by LAW for child support and that the mothers should be fined (but not jailed). On the other hand these men are the little one's "dads". Even though the men have been hurt ,it wasn't done by the children who loved and trusted them. Morally they should remain a part of the childs life, maybe even sueing for visitation or custody and child support from the biological fathers. JMO CD
To: BuddhaBoy
You know, these kinds of problems wouldn't exist if men kept their zippers up and women kept their knees together, except with their spouse, of course, to whom they have committed for a LIFETIME.
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posted on
12/09/2002 9:46:16 AM PST
by
MEGoody
To: BuddhaBoy
We don't want to illegitimize a whole class of children...Got news for you lady...the mother and her lover did that, not the cuckolded husband, not the state.
To: BuddhaBoy
For anyone who claims to be interested in the welfare of the children, I wonder if they think about the lesson that this kind of fraud teaches them; that the way to make it in this world is to rob the innocent. What a wonderful example to set.
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posted on
12/09/2002 9:48:08 AM PST
by
alpowolf
To: BuddhaBoy
After a man has a parent relationship with a child for a number of years, he finds out he's not the biological father. Does that make him any less of a father? The child who is not to blame is being punished when the father backs away from his responsibilities of being a parent. Many people adopt children and love and support adopted children. The adopted parent(s) are as much of parent(s) as the biological, even more so. I realize the men are feeling a sense of betrayal, but don't punish the child. These bills to reduce their child support will punish the child(ren) needlessly while devastating the child(ren) emotionally. What do the men think the children are feeling when the children find out that the man they considered their father is not their father nor does he want any further contact with them? I was a single parent but I knew my ex was my child's father. His financial support, even though I worked, made the difference between poverty and above poverty living.
To: CindyDawg
...maybe even sueing for visitation or custody and child support from the biological fathersBut it was not the biological fathers who committed the fraud. It was the MOTHER who chose to commit fraud. It was the mother who chose to lie to her child, and to the man. It was the MOTHER who AT A MINIMUM slept with 2 men without using contraception. One man was for fun, the other was for profit.
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posted on
12/09/2002 9:50:28 AM PST
by
Hodar
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