Father Torches Car in Protest Over Child Support

Anchorage Daily News ^ | October 18, 2002 | Tataboline Brant

[RogerFGay]

CHILD SUPPORT: Officials say suspect had threatened staff before.

Two floors of the 19-story Atwood Building were evacuated Thursday morning after a man parked his blue Mercedes near the building's entrance, doused the car with gasoline and set it ablaze.

[Z in Oregon]

Fathers, except where proven criminally unfit, should automatically receive custody of all their children. Their ex-wives can pay child support, and visit the kids every other Tuesday. Also, the father should automatically get the house, and a share of his ex-wives income. The ex-wife should lose her driver's license and any professional licenses, and face jail time if she falls behind in her child support payments. Also, the father should in no way be held accountable for how he spends that child support money.

[Z in Oregon]

The boys are being turned off to schools systematically by femi-nazis who control those schools. Look how for every 1 girl is on ritalin they put 7 boys on it. Look how 80% of achievers in school now grades 1-12 are female. Look how 55% of college students are female. We are building disaster and dysfunctionalism for our nation's future. The destruction of marriage by dangling divorce incentives in front of the women and the systematic unjust treatment of men who've fallen into the divorce trap are each just part of the picture going on here. For families to work the men need to be allowed to be fathers and husbands. This means the man is boss of the family. This means the women accept their roles that god gave them. If the woman wants out, or the man wants out, then the government should facilitate that choice. But the government should not undermine the man's role in the family by intervening with these divorce incentives. That is civilizational suicide.

Good points.

[Z in Oregon]

Deadbeat fatherhood is apparently a new conservative platform from the pro-marriage/family party.

With responsibilities must come rights, as with taxation must come representation...the Founding Fathers had automatic father custody. Reinstituting that is one of the best conservative causes possible!

[Conagher]

There was an execution type murder of two middle-aged people in Virginia in an intersection about the middle of August....there was the execution of the Short family....

I don't know if any of that is related.....but all of these things were executions...

It's too bad you consider the murder of multiple human beings just a series of "things."

Hypocrite.

[CobaltBlue]

I am married, been married for 22 years, have two children. I agree with you 100%. Staying together for the sake of the children is one of the most important things you can do in your life. A committment is a committment.

Admittedly some people do have hellacious marriages.

[Z in Oregon]

In case you haven't noticed, this country is raising children today that are little more than barbarians.

Not "this country". Single mothers.

[CobaltBlue]

>>It also helped to have a very supportive husband who is a good listener!<<

Amen. One of the hard adjustments in a man's married life, I believe, comes when his wife starts putting the babies first, rather than him first. A mature man understands that this is nature's way, but an immature man feels shut out.

It's a passing thing, the babies won't be babies forever, and then the husband will come first again, if the relationship is good.

[Jaidyn]

My ex was put on a public Dead Beat Dad's list. The guy was a jerk but he did pay and the list came out when my sons were in their twenties. He was led to believe (by the child support agency) that I filed against him and was raging when he called me. I had no idea that was happening to him so told him I would do what I could to help. I called the bureau of child support and told them my ex didn't owe me any money, that the paperwork was finalized years before. They demand that I show proof. I explained that I didn't have the paperwork, that he owed me no money, and I would not accept a dime. I was then told to my amazement that they would demand the money, give me mine to give back to him if I chose. I told them @#!%$ so they finally told me to get a notorized signature saying he owed me no money. I did so and took it personally to the agency who said they would use my statement in court. I went off on them again and used the above language and demanded I be informed of the court date, that I wanted to tell the judge what really was going on. About a month later I received a document from the court stating, Jane Doe vs JohnDoe.......Case dismissed because of plaintiff's refusal to testify. Plaintiff says she won't accept John Doe's support payment. How corrupt can they get?? I turned all the information to an attorney who is keeping tabs on cases against men in Ohio. My ex realizes I had nothing to do with the frivolous suit and waste of money on behalf of Ohio citizens. I hope the attorneys who are documenting harassment against men and women who pay child support sock it to the government on their behalf.

[CobaltBlue]

I think you may be leaving something out of the story. At some point along the line, you must have been receiving government assistance.

My own experience with government is that they are very inert except when collecting money which is owed to them.

By law if you get government assistance the government can get reimbursement from your ex, whether you want them to or not.

[nobdysfool]

Look around this thread...there's a lot of men who think money is a lot more important than a marriage or the kids they made. Their whole lives are an embittered, enraged mess because they have to pay years of support for their children.

As usual, some women miss the point. I am not bitter over having to pay out the money in support for my children, because I love my children more than life itself. What grinds my gears is that the money had to be sent to a cheating, lying slut who didn't have to account for how the money was spent. She remarried, and at one point her new husband had the audacity to say to me, after a change in support payments had been instituted automatically by the State, "of course, you realize this is going to hurt the children". The thing that makes me mad is not the money per se, it is the fact that I had to give the money, without having the comfort and consort of a woman and the constant presence of the children ( a family united and living together, in other words). The money would have been spent on the children properly if the family were intact. Her husband's remark to me as much as told me that the support money wasn't being spent on the kids, or accounted for, it was going into the general family finances, and in effect, some of my money was supporting his two children, too. There needs to be strong laws on the books to make custodial parents accountable for how every dime of support money is spent, with penalties for non-compliance, up to and including removal of custody and awarding custody to the other parent, with a reversal of the child support order. The system makes men unduly accountable, and women absolutely non-accountable. That is not right by any stretch of the imagination.

[FReepaholic]

>>...Fathers, except where proven criminally unfit, should automatically receive custody of all their children. Their ex-wives can pay child support, and visit the kids every other Tuesday. Also, the father should automatically get the house, and a share of his ex-wives income. The ex-wife should lose her driver's license and any professional licenses, and face jail time if she falls behind in her child support payments. Also, the father should in no way be held accountable for how he spends that child support money...<<

AMEN!

After all, isn't this the age of gender equality? Haven't the womens-libbers fought to have women EQUAL with men? (actually, no. They want SUPERIORITY)

[Jaidyn]

I never received a dime in government assistance. I had a job that paid well enough to get by. I had not heard from the agency in years. They screwed up for whatever reasons. There was a group of attorneys keeping tabs who were interested in my predicament so I gave them all the documentation. They were flabbergasted. They didn't sue my ex, ei, The State of Ohio vs John Doe, but used my name. My ex didn't owe money. It was that simple.

[Brush_Your_Teeth]

Blatantly bigoted editorial.

Thats right those great men who own expensive cars and huge saleries who decide to leave their children for the state to raise and having them turnout to be criminals who I have to shoot when they rob my house. Nothing in this story makes that crazy bastard a good person. However I do have to remember that some morons on this bbs thought it was ok for you to shoot a cop over a traffic ticket.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

Just out of curiosity, does Alaska have the same charming custom of revoking driver licenses for failure to pay child support that other states (like California, for example) have?

If things keep going the way they are, you could get your driver's license back by renouncing America, becoming a Mexican citizen, and sneaking back across the border.

[longtermmemmory]

Women and feminist have turned divorce into the equivalent of cashing out a life insurance policy. I can find examples to contradict the rule where this is not true but, feminists fight on a grander scale. One intact family is not a threat. Having the whole of society call an intact family normal is a threat.

Be careful, feminists would legislate "Mr. Mom" as mandatory.

[Jaidyn]

Child support cases got lumped together, a one size fits all, which, of course is ridiculous. I gather the excuse for combining them is the cost to the state, which is false since the person paying the support pays poundage. Each case should be evaluated on it's merits. The government is here to serve us but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore.

[longtermmemmory]

Since the support departments are administrative many states use "contract attorneys" These attorneys get a percentage of the back support collected. It is like a police officer getting a piece of the speeding fines for tickets he issues. If this were criminal court it would be illegal. Since this is civil court there is no mention. This is done mostly in cases where the mother was at some point on public support of any kind.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Ouch, true... but Ouch.

The bottom line is we need religious leaders who can get the married couple straight. Too many religious leaders are after the money rather than the souls. If the religions are dominated by whores, why should the mothers be any better? Until we get that straight, we will see future generations get worse. We need fearless leadership too. For example, religious leaders should point out frequently that you have to spank your kids now and then for the good of their souls.

One problem we have is that some mommies don't want their precious ones spanked, ever. Or they take the child's side over the father's. The resulting brat will drive a deep wedge between both parents. The one who's more politically correct usually dominates.

I don't have any kids. I've never been married. Those are the two greatest earthly blessings a man can have, but today's society has poisoned those great blessings. I'll just have to be a daddy in this forum. Who needs a spanking?

[Roscoe]

But yes, certainly, the release of information about his child support debt was the release of personal information.

False.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

Eh...Am I the only one to think it strange that a man who OWES $50,000 in child support would choose to set his OWN MERCEDES on fire?

Two reasons I can think of:

1. He was trying to get an insurance payment with which to pay his debts (although he'd never get insurance money from such a public display).

2. He knew that SHE liked the car...