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Skulls Found in Africa and in Europe Challenge Theories of Human Origins
NY Times ^ | August 6, 2002 | By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD

Posted on 08/11/2002 3:59:04 PM PDT by vannrox



August 6, 2002

Skulls Found in Africa and in Europe Challenge Theories of Human Origins

By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD

Two ancient skulls, one from central Africa and the other from the Black Sea republic of Georgia, have shaken the human family tree to its roots, sending scientists scrambling to see if their favorite theories are among the fallen fruit.

Probably so, according to paleontologists, who may have to make major revisions in the human genealogy and rethink some of their ideas about the first migrations out of Africa by human relatives.

Yet, despite all the confusion and uncertainty the skulls have caused, scientists speak in superlatives of their potential for revealing crucial insights in the evidence-disadvantaged field of human evolution.

The African skull dates from nearly 7 million years ago, close to the fateful moment when the human and chimpanzee lineages went their separate ways. The 1.75-million-year-old Georgian skull could answer questions about the first human ancestors to leave Africa, and why they ventured forth.

Still, it was a shock, something of a one-two punch, for two such momentous discoveries to be reported independently in a single week, as happened in July.

"I can't think of another month in the history of paleontology in which two such finds of importance were published," said Dr. Bernard Wood, a paleontologist at George Washington University. "This really exposes how little we know of human evolution and the origin of our own genus Homo."

Every decade or two, a fossil discovery upsets conventional wisdom. One more possible "missing link" emerges. An even older member of the hominid group, those human ancestors and their close relatives (but not apes), comes to light. Some fossils also show up with attributes so puzzling that scientists cannot decide where they belong, if at all, in the human lineage.

At each turn, the family tree, once drawn straight as a ponderosa pine, has had to be reconfigured with more branches leading here and there and, in some cases, apparently nowhere.

"When I went to medical school in 1963, human evolution looked like a ladder," Dr. Wood said. The ladder, he explained, stepped from monkey to modern human through a progression of intermediates, each slightly less apelike than the previous one.

But the fact that modern Homo sapiens is the only hominid living today is quite misleading, an exception to the rule dating only since the demise of Neanderthals some 30,000 years ago. Fossil hunters keep finding multiple species of hominids that overlapped in time, reflecting evolutionary diversity in response to new or changed circumstances. Not all of them could be direct ancestors of Homo sapiens. Some presumably were dead-end side branches.

So a tangled bush has now replaced a tree as the ascendant imagery of human evolution. Most scientists studying the newfound African skull think it lends strong support to hominid bushiness almost from the beginning.

That is one of several reasons Dr. Daniel E. Lieberman, a biological anthropologist at Harvard, called the African specimen "one of the greatest paleontological discoveries of the past 100 years."

The skull was uncovered in the desert of Chad by a French-led team under the direction of Dr. Michel Brunet of the University of Poitiers. Struck by the skull's unusual mix of apelike and evolved hominid features, the discoverers assigned it to an entirely new genus and species — Sahelanthropus tchadensis. It is more commonly called Toumai, meaning "hope of life" in the local language.

In announcing the discovery in the July 11 issue of the journal Nature, Dr. Brunet's group said the fossils — a cranium, two lower jaw fragments and several teeth — promised "to illuminate the earliest chapter in human evolutionary history."

The age, face and geography of the new specimen were all surprises.

About a million years older than any previously recognized hominid, Toumai lived close to the time that molecular biologists think was the earliest period in which the human lineage diverged from the chimpanzee branch. The next oldest hominid appears to be the 6-million-year-old Orrorin tugenensis, found two years ago in Kenya but not yet fully accepted by many scientists. After it is Ardipithecus ramidus, which probably lived 4.4 million to 5.8 million years ago in Ethiopia.

"A lot of interesting things were happening earlier than we previously knew," said Dr. Eric Delson, a paleontologist at the City University of New York and the American Museum of Natural History.

The most puzzling aspect of the new skull is that it seems to belong to two widely separated evolutionary periods. Its size indicates that Toumai had a brain comparable to that of a modern chimp, about 320 to 380 cubic centimeters. Yet the face is short and relatively flat, compared with the protruding faces of chimps and other early hominids. Indeed, it is more humanlike than the "Lucy" species, Australopithecus afarensis, which lived more than 3.2 million years ago.

"A hominid of this age," Dr. Wood wrote in Nature, "should certainly not have the face of a hominid less than one-third of its geological age."

Scientists suggest several possible explanations. Toumai could somehow be an ancestor of modern humans, or of gorillas or chimps. It could be a common ancestor of humans and chimps, before the divergence.

"But why restrict yourself to thinking this fossil has to belong to a lineage that leads to something modern?" Dr. Wood asked. "It's perfectly possible this belongs to a branch that's neither chimp nor human, but has become extinct."

Dr. Wood said the "lesson of history" is that fossil hunters are more likely to find something unrelated directly to living creatures — more side branches to tangle the evolutionary bush. So the picture of human genealogy gets more complex, not simpler.

A few scientists sound cautionary notes. Dr. Delson questioned whether the Toumai face was complete enough to justify interpretations of more highly evolved characteristics. One critic argued that the skull belonged to a gorilla, but that is disputed by scientists who have examined it.

Just as important perhaps is the fact that the Chad skull was found off the beaten path of hominid research. Until now, nearly every early hominid fossil has come from eastern Africa, mainly Ethiopia, Kenya and Tanzania, or from southern Africa. Finding something very old and different in central Africa should expand the hunt.

"In hindsight, we should have expected this," Dr. Lieberman said. "Africa is big and we weren't looking at all of Africa. This fossil is a wake-up call. It reminds us that we're missing large portions of the fossil record."

Although overshadowed by the news of Toumai, the well-preserved 1.75-million-year-old skull from Georgia was also full of surprises, in this case concerning a later chapter in the hominid story. It raised questions about the identity of the first hominids to be intercontinental travelers, who set in motion the migrations that would eventually lead to human occupation of the entire planet.

The discovery, reported in the July 5 issue of the journal Science, was made at the medieval town Dmanisi, 50 miles southwest of Tbilisi, the Georgian capital. Two years ago, scientists announced finding two other skulls at the same site, but the new one appears to be intriguingly different and a challenge to prevailing views.

Scientists have long been thought that the first hominid out-of-Africa migrants were Homo erectus, a species with large brains and a stature approaching human dimensions. The species was widely assumed to have stepped out in the world once they evolved their greater intelligence and longer legs and invented more advanced stone tools.

The first two Dmanisi skulls confirmed one part of the hypothesis. They bore a striking resemblance to the African version of H. erectus, sometimes called Homo ergaster. Their discovery was hailed as the most ancient undisputed hominid fossils outside Africa.

But the skulls were associated with more than 1,000 crudely chipped cobbles, simple choppers and scrapers, not the more finely shaped and versatile tools that would be introduced by H. erectus more than 100,000 years later. That undercut the accepted evolutionary explanation for the migrations.

The issue has become even more muddled with the discovery of the third skull by international paleontologists led by Dr. David Lordkipanidze of the Georgian State Museum in Tbilisi. It is about the same age and bears an overall resemblance to the other two skulls. But it is much smaller.

"These hominids are more primitive than we thought," Dr. Lordkipanidze said in an article in the current issue of National Geographic magazine. "We have a new puzzle."

To the discoverers, the skull has the canine teeth and face of Homo habilis, a small hominid with long apelike arms that evolved in Africa before H. erectus. And the size of its cranium suggests a substantially smaller brain than expected for H. erectus.

In their journal report, the discovery team estimated the cranial capacity of the new skull to be about 600 cubic centimeters, compared with about 780 and 650 c.c.'s for the other Dmanisis specimens. That is "near the mean" for H. habilis, they noted. Modern human braincases are about 1,400 cubic centimeters.

Dr. G. Philip Rightmire, a paleontologist at the State University of New York at Binghamton and a member of the discovery team, said that if the new skull had been found before the other two, it might have been identified as H. habilis.

Dr. Ian Tattersall, a specialist in human evolution at the natural history museum in New York City, said the specimen was "the first truly African-looking thing to come from outside Africa." More than anything else, he said, it resembles a 1.9-million-year-old Homo habilis skull from Kenya.

For the time being, however, the fossil is tentatively labeled Homo erectus, though it stretches the definition of that species. Scientists are pondering what lessons they can learn from it about the diversity of physical attributes within a single species.

Dr. Fred Smith, a paleontologist who has just become dean of arts and sciences at Loyola University in Chicago, agreed that his was a sensible approach, at least until more fossils turn up. Like other scientists, he doubted that two separate hominid species would have occupied the same habitat at roughly the same time. Marked variations within a species are not uncommon; brain size varies within living humans by abut 15 percent.

"The possibility of variations within a species should never be excluded," Dr. Smith said. "There's a tendency now for everybody to see three bumps on a fossil instead of two and immediately declare that to be another species."

Some discoverers of the Dmanisi skull speculated that these hominids might be descended from ancestors like H. habilis that had already left Africa. In that case, it could be argued that H. erectus itself evolved not in Africa but elsewhere from an ex-African species. If so, the early Homo genealogy would have to be drastically revised.

But it takes more than two or even three specimens to reach firm conclusions about the range of variations within a species. Still, Georgia is a good place to start. The three specimens found there represent the largest collection of individuals from any single site older than around 800,000 years.

"We have now a very rich collection, of three skulls and three jawbones, which gives us a chance to study very properly this question" of how to classify early hominids, Dr. Lordkipanidze said, and paleontologists are busy this summer looking for more skulls at Dmanisi.

"We badly want to know what the functional abilities of the first out-of-Africa migrants were," said Dr. Wood of George Washington University. "What could that animal do that animals that preceded it couldn't? What was the role of culture in this migration? Maybe other animals were leaving and the hominids simply followed."

All scholars of human prehistory eagerly await the next finds from Dmanisi, and in Chad. Perhaps they will help untangle some of the bushy branches of the human family tree to reveal the true ancestry of Homo sapiens.




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To: forsnax5
You've done the refutation, now see the futility. The main weapon of these nutcases alternative science enthusiasts is that they're born new and back with the same old stuff on every new thread.
421 posted on 08/17/2002 8:05:16 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: exDemMom
The statement I questioned you on was:

No one really knows what the first life was. A single cell, even a primitive one, is still a rather complicated organism. I have heard speculation that life arose from self-replicating RNA molecules; these exist today and are simple enough to arise by random mixing of organic compounds. in post#358

Now you say that:

Catalytic RNAs are called ribozymes; they have the ability to splice and cleave phosphodiester bonds, which are the only activities required for a self-replicating molecule.

These RNA were taken from organisms. In no way did they arise by 'random mixing of organic compounds'. Big difference. They appear to have continued the catalysis in vitro under very specific conditions. That chemical reactions can continue when there is material available for the reaction is no discovery. To call such a chemical reaction 'self replication' is stretching the meaning of the word. For example, crystallization is a process which has been incorrectly claimed as proof of 'self replication'.

422 posted on 08/17/2002 8:14:15 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: medved
The little problem I note, i.e. that without "coevolution" as you call it, the first feature to evolve would de-evolve while the second was evolving, is probably something the evos never noticed until now. Kind of paints em into a corner and then burns the corner, doesn't it?

It certainly would. For example with birds we have the wings which are a very complicated mechanism and the lungs which are likewise very complicated. The new lungs would be useless without flight and flight would be impossible without the new lungs. It's a chicken and egg problem which Darwin himself claimed would totally destroy his theory. Also, with evolution taking millions of years for a transformation, evolutionists seem to forget that organisms have to eat regularly. One has to wonder how they could continue to survive while all the intermediate steps took place to give them a true advantage.

423 posted on 08/17/2002 8:19:42 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: VadeRetro
Seemingly necessary re-bump of 384. Darwin did not postulate maladapted monsters surviving. Just the opposite. Populations change to stay well-adapted under changing pressures.
424 posted on 08/17/2002 8:24:26 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
You've done the refutation, now see the futility.

Oh, I know it's futile -- nothing will get past Medved's Demon. :)

But the people who read these threads and don't post need to see another opinion every now and then (which is a page out of Medved's playbook, of course).

425 posted on 08/17/2002 8:36:33 AM PDT by forsnax5
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To: gore3000
Like a posted before, you can't tell an observation from a prescription.

Here’s a Darwin quote with which you seem to disagree in your usual dispassionate fashion. I quote it from your quote:

When the principles of breeding and inheritance are better understood, we shall not hear ignorant members of our legislature rejecting with scorn a plan for ascertaining whether or not consanguineous marriages are injurious to man.

I take it, since you disagree so violently with everything Darwin ever said, that you think laws preventing first cousins from marrying out to be repealed. Do you? I must know!

Keep "refuting" exDemMom, too. It's hilarious.

426 posted on 08/17/2002 8:40:33 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: forsnax5
I do it too, of course. He scampers about from thread to thread blasting in-line his "God Hates Idiots Too" nonsense. (And no doubt cackling maniacally.) I trudge wearily after with my linked response.
427 posted on 08/17/2002 8:42:29 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
I trudge wearily after with my linked response.

And usually he ignores it, but sometimes he doesn't. In that particular thread, he responded with ridicule, to which you said:

If I'm not mistaken, you're still stuck on arguments from incredulity.

Whereupon he diplomatically replied:

Right; I can't believe anybody could buy off on anything so STUPID. I mean, your whole case appears to be based upon massive misinterpretation of evidence.

Not noticing the irony of his last statement.

428 posted on 08/17/2002 9:00:53 AM PDT by forsnax5
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To: forsnax5
By "ridicule" I suppose you're referring to

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. . . which I did take to be a bit unresponsive on the technical details.
429 posted on 08/17/2002 9:04:24 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: exDemMom
Total nonsense. To imply that a plant is as complex as a human is ridiculous. -me-

Is it? Why?

Because plants have far fewer functions they can accomplish than humans. Because yeasts for example are used for experimentation because their simpler mechanisms make it easier for us to discern how things work.

The reason men are more complex while having a smaller genome than some plants is that humans have very involved genomes which are able to reuse DNA in different ways, while most lower organisms cannot. -me-

Oh, my. Now we're reusing DNA??? Is that like recycling??? Seriously, most of our DNA isn't being used at all.

Seriously we do not know what most of the DNA is used for - yet. However, we keep finding new things going on in non-coding DNA. We also keep finding new complex functioning which must be being coded for somewhere but have not yet been able to find exactly where. The following shows quite well what I speak of:

However, approximately 95 percent of the sequences in the human genome do not code for genes. Once labeled as "junk" DNA, it has long been known that some of these sequences have important duties including the regulation of gene expression. It is also believed that these non-coding sequences have been conserved between related species such as mice and humans, just like sequences that code for genes.

To search for conserved non-coding sequences (CNSs), Rubin, Frazer, and their colleagues examined a stretch of DNA about a million base-pairs in length from mice and humans that contained the same 23 genes in both species, including three interleukin genes (IL-4, IL-13, and IL-5). Previous studies indicated that these interleukin genes are similarly regulated and that their regulatory sequences may be conserved in mice and humans.

The Berkeley researchers looked for CNSs that were at least 70 percent identical in both species over at least 100 base-pairs. Of the 90 CNSs they identified that met this criteria, the researchers took 15 and did a cross-species sequence analysis which also included DNA from a cow, a dog, a pig, a rabbit, a rat, a chicken, and a fish. Most of these elements were also found to be present in the other mammals, indicating that they most likely have been conserved because they perform an important biological function.
From: Mouse Genome

Also, the junk is not junk at all. A Japanese puffer fish has just as many genes as humans and amazingly none of what you call junk DNA. -me-

On what basis do you claim the fish has as many genes as humans? It could have more or less; without knowing the number of genes in either organism, it's impossible to know. But I will guarantee that the fish does have junk DNA. All eukaryotes do.

You are correct, they have some, but very little DNA that is not in genes, however they have the same number of genes in 1/8 the genome of humans. Of course, they are far simpler than humans:

The pufferfish has become an important model for scientists working on the international Human Genome Project because it appears to have the same number of functioning genes as humans do, although the total DNA in all its genes is only one-eighth the total in the human genome.

In unraveling the chemical sequence of human genes that actually function, scientists estimate that more than 95 percent of all human genetic material is most probably "junk DNA" that has no apparent function. But the fugu genome has far less of that so-called junk, and so its functioning genes stand out much more easily and sequencing them is much simpler.

Altogether, the fugu's genetic material -- its DNA -- is compressed into about 375 million chemical letters, while humans have more than 3 billion, although both hold about the same number of genes.
From: Puffer Fish

Ahem... first we're recycling our DNA, now we're doing just so much with it. Wow, we must be the Martha Stewarts of vertebrates, we do so much with so little...

Yes indeed. That's the importance of the genome project. It shows that somehow we make numerous proteins out of the same DNA. Quite a discovery.

1) Do you know the meaning of the word, "genome"? It does not appear that you do, but please define it for me.

I certainly do and that is why I have been using it properly to refer to the 3 billion some DNA base pairs in humans. However if you want a definition, here it is from Merriam Webster's Collegiate dictionary:

Main Entry: ge·nome
Pronunciation: 'jE-"nOm
Function: noun
Etymology: German Genom, from Gen gene + -om (as in Chromosom chromosome)
Date: 1930
: one haploid set of chromosomes with the genes they contain; broadly : the genetic material of an organism

2)Do you have any idea how genes work? Humans don't "do more" with their genes; if human genes were so incredibly different than those of other organisms, it wouldn't be possible to make human proteins in bacteria or yeast; yet, these are common techniques. I'm afraid that in basic function, our genes are pretty much like plant genes, cow genes, fish genes, frog genes... when you get right down to it, it's just chemistry.

I certainly do. Genes are essentially protein factories. They do nothing by themselves:

A single gene can be responsible for a great complexity of functions. Genes are just information encoded along a long string of the chemical DNA; they cannot do anything themselves. What genes encode is the structures of proteins, which are the working machinery of living beings. They let us walk and talk and think big thoughts.

One gene can encode many, often 10 or more, different proteins. To carry out different activities, the proteins can vary in amount, be put in different combinations, or be modified. It is the number of proteins, not genes, that determine complexity -- and that is where the true complexity of human life will be measured.
From: 50,000 Genes

430 posted on 08/17/2002 9:12:57 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: VadeRetro
... a bit unresponsive on the technical details.

You could say that. LOL!

431 posted on 08/17/2002 9:24:29 AM PDT by forsnax5
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To: RightWingNilla
BTW - Those "pointy" things could be lamellipodia or filipodia. Likely due to hyperactivacted RhoGTPases in transformed cells.

Placemarker.

432 posted on 08/17/2002 9:27:26 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: exDemMom
Of course not, because a higher organism requires different DNA. If it was exactly the same you would have the same species would you not? Guess, you must have been sick when that class was given. -me-

Oh, gee, where do I start? DNA consists of 4 nucleotides, abbreviated G, A, T, C, and all living things use them. Let's see... I use bacteria to grow DNA containing human genes, which I insert into mouse cells and test whether the human genes affect a mouse protein by measuring the amount of firefly enzyme that the cells produce... which is impossible, according to what you said. Yet I, and countless others, have published papers in peer-reviewed journals detailing just this kind of experiment.

I really do not see how your answer refutes my statement. First of all, you are inserting DNA from a more complex organism into a less complex one. Secondly, what did these experiments supposedly prove? That the DNA code of a gene will produce the same protein in different organisms? I would think this is a given. Since these organisms have similar genes, they will produce such proteins when tricked into using one gene for another. You are still inserting DNA into an organism that has the entire network for producing the protein. In fact, that is the reason for doing these insertions. We are trying to produce proteins to use as medicines in humans.

433 posted on 08/17/2002 9:33:57 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: exDemMom
Since I work so closely with the basic mechanics of gene expression, I find some of the things g3k says quite amusing.

Since you work on questions of gene expression, I find it quite amusing that you seem to deny that the complexity of an organism is only in the genes, that you seem to assert that the DNA not in the genes is useless junk.

434 posted on 08/17/2002 9:41:37 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: VadeRetro
Brains and eyes coevolve. Lungs and forelimbs and feathers coevolve.

Oh my! You call that a refutation? Where's the evidence? How does it happen? Is it a miracle? How does a stochastic process 'know' what functions to co-evolve and when?

You seem to be very proud of your own blather, but just claiming that something happens proves nothing, refutes nothing. Your only basis for this ridiculous assumption is that since you resolutely refuse to believe in the existence of God, there is no other way such a thing could have occurred. In other words, you are trying to prove your materialistic proposition by asserting that there are only materialistic answers to the question. Well, in case you have not noticed, the whole evolution/Creation debate is about just that so your statement adds nothing to the discussion.

435 posted on 08/17/2002 9:54:16 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: gore3000
INSULTS ARE THE LAST RESOURCE OF SCOUNDRELS

Well, that certainly describes you since every other post you leave behind you is littered with "liar", "dishonest", "moronic", "slime", etc. It appears that without ad hominem you wouldn't have anything to say.

436 posted on 08/17/2002 10:26:18 AM PDT by balrog666
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To: exDemMom
And American taxpayers have spent tens of thousands of dollars for me to do this, too. Thank you, taxpayers!

You're welcome. ;^)

437 posted on 08/17/2002 10:28:48 AM PDT by balrog666
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To: balrog666
Running joke is 'evo-science'...biggest cult of oxy-moonie-morons---art bells!

Like patrickhenry...

"search for the creator via evolution"---

"total--only evolution" too---

The papal encyclical rightwingprofessor-whack thinks/interprets---"professes evolution"...

Nebullis..."preschool evolution---INTENSIVELY"---

donh..."if the sun can create crystals-snowflakes...human life would certainly follow"---

also by donh...Hitler and nazi germany were all Christians---creationists!

dominick harr..."just like a ball bouncing down the stairs----evolution created everything"---

jennyp..."anarchist evolutionary capitalism(natural)---Christianity(manmade) is communism"---

and patrickhenry doesn't know..."if prior to darwin---if science existed"...

SkyRat...Divine hammer-retribution from above via evolution!

exdemmom...evolution is the "lug wrench" that fixes science--biology/life!

Running sores of evo schlock!

Few new ones by the vade--junior--ph evo cult...

More schlock---latests(evo proof/matches/links)...

over---abundance of dung for beetles...schlock providence/miracles

ground depressions on earth surfaces collect liquids producing ponding---more spontaneous schlock opportunities/diversity...

motion/movement is created via biological interference/resistance in gravitational force fields...

foot/toe ground contact---attractions/balance...

standing/walking/running upright

amazing...dancing too!

My own...how evo schlock made us...

Insects vibrate molecules and gas particles---sound...and how humans procreate via words/instruments---music/songs.

I get it!

This schlock is so simple...natural---unplanned---no design!

Presto...mommies/daddies---babies!

438 posted on 08/17/2002 11:21:53 AM PDT by f.Christian
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To: f.Christian
Well, mumblypeg memories and schizoid polyglossia to you too.
439 posted on 08/17/2002 1:21:48 PM PDT by balrog666
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To: balrog666
Over... here---help me out!

"Petroleum - the archetypal fossil fuel - couldn't have formed from the remains of dead animals and plants, claim US and Russian researchers1. They argue that petroleum originated from minerals at extreme temperatures and pressures."

Few questions maybe you can answer---explain to me!

440 posted on 08/17/2002 2:00:35 PM PDT by f.Christian
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