I.N.S.ULT (INS Blows It... Again)

New York Post ^ | 5/30/02 | MURRAY WEISS

[kattracks]

May 30, 2002 -- Frustrated cops in New York had to free a suspicious gang of illegal Mideast aliens because the INS "didn't want to be bothered" on the Memorial Day weekend, The Post has learned.

In the end, not knowing whether the men they had nabbed were the hard-working immigrants they claimed to be or a terror gang plotting to wreak havoc, the local authorities had to let them walk.

[Mo1]

Fair enough, but that also leaves me room to criticize this Aministration (and hard) on areas where President Bush's policies aren't serving the nation's best interests, without automatically being termed a "Bush-basher."

Fair enough .. all that we Bushbots ask is that your argument/disagreements be factual and try to keep an open mind when we try to present our disagreement with some of your points without being called a neocon

Believe it or not .. on many issues we may agree .. but maybe not agree on the where the fault lies or the solution to that problem

[Catspaw]

Knock it off, Mo1. Ex con has legitimate beefs with the administration, and so do I, especially in this area. It is far past the time that the President starts to clean up the mess at the INS and starts NOW. Most certainly the blame can be placed on Clinton and previous administrations, but that doesn't clean up the mess, now does it? It's the equivalent of saying, "everyone does it." I didn't buy that from my kid when she was 12 and I don't buy it from you, Mo1.

So why don't we all be problem solvers and figure out what's wrong with the INS (and that's pretty obvious) figure out a plan on what needs fixing and DO IT. No BS, no blame, just action. And it's the "action" part that's severely lacking with any reforms in the INS. When are they going to begin? So far, all I've seen is vague proposals, and that's not enough for me.

[Mo1]

For the record I NEVER said there was't a problem with the INS .. it is one of the most screwed up departments in our Government

Also I NEVER said that Bush shouldn't fix the INS .. what I DID say was that maybe we should give him a chance to fix problems that were YEARS in the making before he ever took office

[flamefront]

then what about the FBI or CIA? Were they called?

We are surrounded by Clinton appointees. From Ruddy today

But the leadership of the FBI has indeed been corrupted. It began with the firing of Bill Sessions and the installation of Judge Louis Freeh as Clinton’s FBI director. Freeh, a Republican, was also an ambitious yes man who would do anything to appease his masters at the White House. He spent eight years playing a Mutt-and-Jeff routine with the Clintons, bad-mouthing them all over town to keep credibility with the Republicans, but acquiescing to their every wish at the bureau. Within a year of Freeh taking the helm, he had removed, fired or transferred almost the entire senior leadership of the bureau from the FBI's executive committee. At the same time, and for the first time, he brought in political appointees to run the FBI. A veritable coup had taken place in our government.

[MeekOneGOP]

how about arming pilots, instead of shooting entire planes out of the air.

Well, I'm not up on that issue, but I think they are putting armed marshalls
on the planes now, is that correct? If so, I can live with that protection. But I
am not opposed to the pilots that want 'em to carry 'em.

Signed,
Bushbot

[Catspaw]

Also I NEVER said that Bush shouldn't fix the INS .. what I DID say was that maybe we should give him a chance to fix problems that were YEARS in the making before he ever took office

Once again, you're shifting blame. This is now in Bush's lap--that's why we change presidents every four to eight years. And it's been eight and a half months since 9/11 and some of us--at least I am--are getting damn impatient.

The last straw for me was when Mohammed Atta and his pal got their student visas six months after 9/11 the BS excuse that I heard coming from that department was that 1) the workers for the subcontractors were either illiterate or couldn't speak English and just rubber-stamped the visas or 2) the subcontractors didn't recognize their names & it was an honest mistake. It was just crap, just plain old crap and spin. Just for once, I'd like to hear from the INS, "We screwed up." But the same Reno/Meissner mentality still infects that department and Ziglar is waaay out of his league. What were his qualifications anyway? As far as I know, he didn't have any. And his plans for cleaning up the department? None.

Things changed radically on 9/11--at least everywhere but the INS. And changes in that department are long overdue. If it means Ziglar has to go and be replaced with someone with an idea for reform, renovation and innovation in his head, so be it. But just DO SOMETHING. And do it NOW.

[Mo1]

Once again, you're shifting blame

I am NOT shifting the blame .. I AM JUST STATING THE FACTS

Yes the INS is one F'd up Agency .. and YES there needs to a good skake up over there

AND from the news reports Bush was pretty pissed off when he read in the papers about that visa approval

There are many reasons why the INS is so screwed up but I won't bore you with the facts because you don't care

[Catspaw]

So what's being done to fix the mess at INS? Oh, I've heard some rumors and whispers about *something* being done with the INS, but so far, nothing, but nothing, has been done. I want you to be precise--and citing Bush's anger (which certainly matched mine) means jack to me. It is not a plan to reform that agency, nor, in any stretch of the imagination, an plan that is being implemented.

To quote my father (and this is one of the few that can be posted to FR), fish or cut bait.

[Mo1]

It is not a plan to reform that agency, nor, in any stretch of the imagination, an plan that is being implemented

Ok .. I'll bite .. how exactly would you clean up the HUGE mess

[flamefront]

Tonight - 6 & 11 PM Pacific -
                  9 Eastern - Fox News Channel
Hannity and Colmes will discuss:
                  I.N.S.ULT
Frustrated cops in New York
                  had to free a suspicious gang of illegal Mideast aliens because
                  the INS "didn't want to be bothered" on the Memorial
                  Day weekend...

[steamroller]

When I was an INS agent we had arrangements with the local and state police where an agent could be reached 24/7 and respond in person unless it could be determined by phone that the person could be detained sight unseen.A situation like the one described could never had occured in the places I worked.New York is another story-they have plenty of good agents,but the supervision as I recall it in my infrequent(mercifully)contacts with that office was composed of useless turds.Many of the best agents in New York quit and went to US Customs.Those that could transferred out.

[FR_addict]

Bump this one so everyone can read it.

[oldsalt]

An unmapped island in the South Pacific is starting to look really good right now.

Your comment reminds me of an old story about the guy back in the thirties who expressed the same thought. He searched long and hard to find a place nobody had ever heard of, where he could go to get away from the evils of the world, and chose......Guadalcanal.

There's no place to hide, well maybe Mars.

[Geezerette]

Michael Savage is reading the above article verbatim right this minute! His comments will be very interesting!!!

Up till now, he has been discussing the "new" FBI!

"Borders ... Language ... Culture."

g

[gitmo]

Is there someone in the administration or Congress who might actually help us get something done?

Tancredo is the only Congressman who seems to get it.

I would like to propose an alternate solution. I am not a legal expert, and would like everyone's feedback on it.

If the Feds are unwilling to enforce the INS laws, can't the states do it? I don't know of anything preventing a state from having laws prohibiting aliens from carrying false identification or of entering the state without proper immigration papers. They could imprison the perps or escort them out of the state or out of the country.

Heck, there may be some such laws on the books.

There are lots of instances of states having laws that have duplicates in the Federal legal system. It is illegal to possess marijuana in most every state, as well as in the US.

So what do you think? Would this be a way of protecting the people of each state and perhaps shaming the Feds into protecting the borders of this nation?

[snippy_about_it]

Push here for some data on the law

And this information about law enforcement agencies REFUSING to make arrests is disgusting.

Go Here

[gitmo]

Thanks for the info. Good web sites.

I was unaware states could enforce INS laws. Can they also make duplicate laws, so they could try these in their jurisdictions?

[The KG9 Kid]

How are things on old Guadalcanal these days?

Maybe the unexploded ordnance left over would keep the busybodies away.