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Altar boys are paying the price of Vatican II
(London) Telegraph ^ | 12/04/2002 (That's April 12, Brit style) | Stuart Reid

Posted on 04/12/2002 1:40:46 PM PDT by aristeides

THE news from America is not good. In my day, there was none of that sort of malarky. At school (in England), the priests who taught me were good and holy men who did not, as a rule, indecently assault the boys.

The only incident I can recall that might now be classed as paedophilia involved a friend who was given one-on-one counselling about masturbation by his housemaster. My friend was told to take down his pyjama trousers. There was no "inappropriate touching", at least by hand, but there was a bit of close and apparently expert scrutiny and . . . But that's enough of that. We thought it was a bit of a lark.

What is happening now, in America, is not a lark. The sex scandal rocking and roiling the Roman Catholic Church there is serious. Even if, as I suspect, many of the weeping "victims" of pervert priests are on the make, there is still compelling evidence that very bad things indeed have been going on, and are still going on.

The scandal stretches back 30 years and more. It involves allegations against as many as 2,000 priests - among them the Cardinal Archbishop of Los Angeles - and has cost the Church about $1 billion. On Thursday in Holy Week, the Pope felt compelled to denounce paedophilia in priests as the work of the Devil.

It's not just paedophilia, either. There is a flourishing gay culture among Catholic priests in the United States. There have always been homosexual priests, of course, many of them very good men. What is new is that such priests now claim the right to indulge their preferences. According to an estimate from within the Society of Jesus, roughly half the American Jesuits under 50 are homosexual, and most of these are sexually active.

In California, the Jesuits have an official website that defies parody. Until recently, it was displaying pictures of novices cuddling one another in Mardi Gras costumes. The pictures carried captions such as "Pretty Boy and Jabba the Slut" and "Lambada, anyone?". These images were not found in some spotty novice's desk drawer, note, but were intended to place the Jesuits in a good light before the 700 million people around the world with internet access.

There is a very serious problem in the Catholic Church, but let's be clear what the problem is not. It is not, as so many believe, the rule of celibacy. ("I mean, if they was allowed to get married, they wouldn't be rogering them choirboys, would they?" The same sort of reasoning, in posher language, can be found in broadsheet newspapers.) If you want proof that celibacy is not the cause of child molestation or promiscuous homosexuality, look at the Church of England, or visit your nearest internet paedophile circle. The truth is that celibacy is the only hope that paedophiles - and their potential victims - have.

The real problem is the legacy of the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965). It is no coincidence, as the Marxists say, that the revolutionary "spirit" of Vatican II began to kick in at about the time much of the sexual abuse began.

By opening itself up to the world - the aim of Vatican II - the Church hoped to foster a renewal of spiritual life. The renewal never materialised. On the contrary, pews emptied, seminaries and schools closed, annulments soared (in America, from 338 a year in 1968 to 52,000 in 1983), nuns started reading Germaine Greer and priests left to get married (giving greater scope to the non-marrying kind).

What followed the Council was decline: moral, intellectual, cultural and spiritual. It spread far beyond the Church. By ditching its ancient Latin Mass - the Mass of Bach, Beethoven and Palestrina - in favour of a participatory vernacular service of praise and thanksgiving, Rome committed an act of vandalism just as surely as it would if it had ordered the destruction of all the great cathedrals of Europe.

As it is, huge sums of money - though perhaps not as much as has been shelled out to the victims of paedophilia - have been spent on smashing altars, ripping out communion rails and generally trashing sanctuaries to make room for the new, man-centred liturgy. It is as though Rome had been seized by a frenzied hatred of beauty. No wonder the churches are empty; no wonder the culture of the bathhouse and the internet chat room has such a secure footing in the Catholic - and for that matter the secular - world.

The Pope has stamped out some of the worst abuses, and has even allowed the old Latin (or Tridentine) rite of Mass to be celebrated publicly, if in moderation; but it is hard to forget or forgive the fraud and experimentation that attended the introduction of the new liturgy in the 1970s. There were clown Masses and bunny rabbit Masses and dancing girl Masses and rock Masses. Christ, it was embarrassing. Celebrants began to get in touch with themselves, and, as we can now see, with others. Out went repression, in came expression. Altar boys paid the price. So did a new, inclusive presence: altar girls.

A measure of the frivolity that infected the Church in the 1970s is to be found in the statement issued last month by the Bishop of Palm Beach, when he resigned after acknowledging impropriety with a 15-year-old boy in 1977. The poor fellow was reduced to trying to account for his behaviour by saying, inter alia, that he had fallen under the influence of the "sexologists" Masters and Johnson, but added that he had made "wonderful Jewish friends" and "wonderful friends in the Muslim community". He asked for prayers and "expressions of love". He suggested that those who were a bit miffed should "pray for their ability themselves to forgive".

It is no good just blaming the Yanks, however. The decline of the Church in America mirrors the decline of the Church elsewhere in the West, and indeed the decline of the West in general. The sex scandals will eventually disappear, but the rot is almost certain to continue, and perhaps grow worse when John Paul II dies. We'd better watch out.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
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To: txzman
Many Christians fail to remember that Christ talked long and often about how you think is often a sin before the act is ever committed.

Old George Carlin bit.

You think about feeling up suzie.
You want to feel up suzie.
You ask her out hoping to feel up suzie.
You feed suzie while trying to look her in the eyes (failing).
You take suzie for a drive to feel her up.
You feel her up.
You like it.

That's a bunch of sins for just one feel.

21 posted on 04/12/2002 2:04:45 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: Dinsdale
There is not one major orginized religion that has not had a child molester on the pulpit (yep that includes your religion whatever it is). Also schools have this problem. They are attracted to positions of authority with access to children. Simple as that.

Well something sure as hell has changed since I graduated from an all boys Catholic HS in 54.

We had a graduating class of 1004
We had 64 priests and 36 noviates teaching us.
No way teenagers don't talk
We had several known boozers
But NO ZILCH ZERO rumors of any homosexual hanky panky PERIOD
22 posted on 04/12/2002 2:04:56 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: Dinsdale
I was trying to make the same point, that this problem existed -- although, I suspect, on a much smaller scale -- before Vatican II.
23 posted on 04/12/2002 2:05:04 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: biblewonk
Yeah, and the only time I ever hear the other members of the Holy Family spoken of by other Christian sects, Christ's mother is merely and insignificant afterthought. God might as well have chosen your mother (or mine) I guess.

You are very much correct in criticizing the other Freeper taking the Lord's name in vain, however.

24 posted on 04/12/2002 2:05:09 PM PDT by Clemenza
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To: aristeides
Good article. Bookmarked for later commentary.
25 posted on 04/12/2002 2:05:14 PM PDT by Palladin
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To: txzman
This whole mess is going to boomerang on all Christians in general.
26 posted on 04/12/2002 2:05:47 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Clemenza
and=an.
27 posted on 04/12/2002 2:05:52 PM PDT by Clemenza
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To: Warhammer
If they are committing the work of the Devil, why are they still priests?

  Flip Wilson's "The devil made me do it," was a documentary.
  I guess the devil does his work, then steps back out of your
  body and moves on.  There's no one to punish here, pilgrim,
  leave a donation at the door and move along.

28 posted on 04/12/2002 2:07:22 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: biblewonk
This pretty much sums up the whole problem with the RCC. You'd never hear a good Catholic use Mary's name in vain.

And you'd never hear a good Protestant take the Lord's name in vain, huh? LOL ... watch the beam in your own eye, pal.

29 posted on 04/12/2002 2:07:42 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Dinsdale
I don't understand his arguement. Vatican II caused all of this?

If his argument is that the Council caused this, you're right ... that argument is bull.

If the argument is that by 'opening the windows' to let 'the spirit of Vatican II' blow through the Church, and that the 'spirit' was the spirit of the 1960s, I agree with Reid.
30 posted on 04/12/2002 2:08:04 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko
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To: biblewonk
You'd never hear a good Catholic use Mary's name in vain.

You've obviously never heard a drunken Irishman swearing... One I knew, when he got thoroughly pissed and started ranting and raving would first exhaust all the possibilities with the Lord's name, then start in on the Angels and Saints. Of them, Mary was first in line. Sad, really; when he was sober his language was impeccable.

AB

31 posted on 04/12/2002 2:10:29 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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To: weikel
There shouldn't be such a thing as a "homosexual priest" or even a "heterosexual priest"... priests are SUPPOSED to be asexual.
32 posted on 04/12/2002 2:12:42 PM PDT by ambrose
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To: uncbob
Well the only way this mess is going to get cleaned up in the USA is if the Pope appoints a special represenative with unlimited powers to purge the system.

Hope Ken Starr isn't Catholic.

33 posted on 04/12/2002 2:14:28 PM PDT by N. Theknow
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To: ambrose
Gee maybe we should just cut the balls off every one of them then LOL.
34 posted on 04/12/2002 2:15:12 PM PDT by weikel
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To: ambrose
priests are SUPPOSED to be asexual.

Castration anyone ?
35 posted on 04/12/2002 2:15:37 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: biblewonk
This pretty much sums up the whole problem with the RCC. You'd never hear a good Catholic use Mary's name in vain.

Oh, I don't know about that. I grew up with Irish priests and as I recall one of their favorite expressions was: "Jesus, Mary and Joseph, why did ya do that Tom!" And that was in the confessional!.

36 posted on 04/12/2002 2:15:55 PM PDT by mc5cents
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To: uncbob
I graduated from a Jesuit all boys high school in 82 (the term we used was 'doing our time').

No word of anything wrong from anybody, but two of the lay teachers just gave every student the creaps (stereotypical gay affections, lisps, limp wrists etc). However if anything had actually happened I guarantee the victim would not have said anything to his peers. A failed pass by a teacher would have been all over the school in a minute though.

Being a light/sound crew geek I knew my way around the building and somehow 'found' a pass key. We knew where the booze closet was and that is all I will admit.

37 posted on 04/12/2002 2:18:05 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: mc5cents
"Jesus, Mary and Joseph, why did ya do that Tom!" And that was in the confessional!.

Well don't keep us in suspense what did you do and why ?
38 posted on 04/12/2002 2:18:33 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: aristeides
Maybe we should have guessed something when they opend the new SoJ highschool, "Our Fairy of the Sacred Heart."
39 posted on 04/12/2002 2:19:32 PM PDT by Tacis
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To: aristeides
California Jesuits

What a lovely bunch of fellows! I bet they're all very good to their mothers.

40 posted on 04/12/2002 2:21:25 PM PDT by Palladin
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