[Mike Fieschko]

I don't understand his arguement. Vatican II caused all of this?

If his argument is that the Council caused this, you're right ... that argument is bull.

If the argument is that by 'opening the windows' to let 'the spirit of Vatican II' blow through the Church, and that the 'spirit' was the spirit of the 1960s, I agree with Reid.

[Loyalist]

That may be true, but for all practical purposes, it doesn't matter. Even if Vatican II's teachings are orthodox, their orthodoxy is irrelevant, because Vatican II has spurred so much of the devastation of the Church that the Church will have to reject the Council in its entirety in order to save itself.