Another one bites the dust.
“Ukraine has destroyed one of Putin’s newly-built warships”
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I’ve been hearing about all these great Ukraine victories for years now....
Seems made up. I suspect Russia is winning a slow grind war of attrition. Fake news stories, notwithstanding
Every American should be happy when our enemies lose some military capability against us, but that isn’t the case on this thread.
Russia and China losing ships, submarines, and aircraft or experiencing any difficulties in their offensive capabilities should make all freepers happy.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/11/the-ukraine-peace-talk-trial-balloon.html#more
Russia will likely agree to peace talks. But it probably will demand more than Ukraine is willing to give. At a minimum that is the full control over the five oblast it has annexed, including Crimea, and no NATO relations with Ukraine. The current Ukrainian parliament will probably reject those requests which will then lead to further Russian demands.
Kiev has yet to acknowledge reality. The Ukrainian state has been bleeding out - financially as well as physically. Its masters have found that their aim at the start of the war - to weaken Russia - has led to the opposite. Russia now has a bigger and better armed military with more real war experience than any of its possible opponents.
Russia has won.
If Ukraine isn't getting its ass kicked, why do you think this is occurring?
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/11/06/united-states-finally-begins-pressuring-ukraine-to-start-peace-talks-with-putin-report/
After hundreds of thousands of lives lost and hundreds of billions of dollars spent, American officials have reportedly begun quietly pressuring Ukraine to open peace talks with Russia amid growing concerns about dwindling manpower.
Despite Moscow’s overwhelming military advantage over Kyiv in terms of manpower being apparent from the outset of the war — with Russia having three times the population to draw on than Ukraine — officials in the United States are apparently finally realising the impossibility of the former Soviet state defeating Putin’s forces.
According to a report from NBC News, citing an unnamed current senior U.S. official and a former senior U.S. official familiar with the matter, backdoor discussions took place last month to pressure the Zelensky government to enter into peace talks with the Kremlin amid growing concerns from President Biden about Ukraine’s ability to maintain an effective fighting force.
“Manpower is at the top of the administration’s concerns right now,” one U.S. official told the news outlet, explaining that even if the Biden administration could supply Ukraine with additional weaponry, “if they don’t have competent forces to use them it doesn’t do a lot of good”. It has been estimated that Ukraine has suffered upwards of 200,000 casualties since the invasion last year.
Nevertheless, President Biden is continuing to push Congress to approve an additional $61.4 billion in aid to Ukraine on top of the $113 billion already committed. The White House has attempted to link the funding for Ukraine to emergency funding for Israel to pressure some Republicans to drop their opposition to the latest funding package to Kyiv.
