Posted on 07/20/2022 10:41:25 AM PDT by RandFan
House Republican lawmakers applauded former Vice President Mike Pence for his actions on Jan. 6, 2021, giving him a warm reception as he spoke to members of the conservative Republican Study Committee on Capitol Hill on Wednesday.
Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) thanked Pence for showing courage that day, sources in the room said.
“He was congratulated for showing the courage that he did on January 6, and frankly, everyone in the room clapped, myself included,” said Rep. Dan Meuser (R-Pa.). “It was, of course, what he should have done. I mean, it was the constitutional thing to do.”
Pence’s ceremonial role presiding over the joint session of Congress on Jan. 6 to certify the Electoral College count from the 2020 election cemented President Biden’s win.
Then-President Trump had pressured Pence to unilaterally reject Electoral College votes from certain states that Biden won so that Trump would be found the winner. Trump had falsely claimed there was mass fraud in several states that led to his legitimate loss.
On Jan. 6, 147 lawmakers voted to object to the electoral results, including many members of the Republican Study Committee and its chair, Rep. Jim Banks (R-Ind.). At the time, Roy argued against objecting to the votes.
The topic of the 2024 presidential election came up in the meeting, Meuser said, but added that Pence’s focus was on the 2022 elections.
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Benedict pence is a criminal and a quisling. Roy and Banks are outliners.
Were you asleep on election day and didn’t see them kicking out poll watchers, papering over windows, the 3 am dumps?
He was also in charge of the Covid Task Force that unleashed Birx and Fauci with their lockdowns on us. That was the first betrayal, not only of Trump, but of the entire nation which has still not recovered or even identified the magnitude of damage, especially to children.
Love that meme... thanks.
Well said, marstegreg.
Trump’s loss was a blessing in disguise. If We the People can’t solve election rigging, the country is history anyway.
Now we can look forward to the second term of Trump as the Democrats and GOPe have utterly destroyed their credibility and demonstrated they can’t govern anyway.
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Pence gives 147 lawmakers a chance to go back the we all get a slice of the pie deals
lawmakers applaud
Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both from Northern Ireland. Presidents with one immigrant parent are Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England, James Buchanan (1857-1861) and Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Protestant Irish fathers. Arthur's mother was born in Vermont, but her family moved to Canada and that is where she met her husband and where they lived before moving to the US together. Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) and Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), whose mothers were born respectively in England and Canada. Obama's father was Kenyan.
Your move.
This is where you falsely conflate one thing to be the equal of another.
The 12th amendment does not require a "rubber stamp." It requires the President of the Senate to preside, and that means to rational people that he has discretionary powers.
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The 12th Amendment requires it.Back at you. I didn't know you were a Constitutional expert. Is "requires it" a legal term.----
When it comes to being stupid I’LL defer to you.
Nothing says Constitutional legality like a simple iron fisted rubber stamp of approval (or disapproval for that matter) without debate or discussion.< /sarcasm >
You'll eat your words someday.
It doesn't take an expert to read the 12th Amendment: "The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted.." Nowhere in there or in 3 U.S. Code § 15 is the power for the vice president to decide what votes to accept outlined.
Nothing says Constitutional legality like a simple iron fisted rubber stamp of approval (or disapproval for that matter) without debate or discussion.< /sarcasm >
If the Constitution is meaningless then why not have Trump just ignore January 6th and announce he is remaining in office. Cut out Congress, the Electoral College, and Pence entirely?
“He could have said F*** all of you if you think I am going to allow this fraud to go forward!”
And he would have been replaced by the president pro tempore for not doing his job and the process would have continued. Read what I wrote. The proper objections were filed, they were starting the debate on Arizona, when they were forced to evacuate. When they came back late that night, both houses, the votes needed to recognize the objections and stop the proceedings were not enough by a long ways. So, the process was accomplished and whether the objections were true or not, the objections were overturned. Thus Biden was officially declared the winner. And it was accomplished by a vote of both houses.
“More loser rationalization.”
Nope, read the laws, it’s just the way things are and were done. Pence can’t change it unless it is determined by the vote of both houses and it wasn’t. So whether you like him or not, he did what he was elected to do. You want to be unhappy with someone, talk to your federal congressman and senator. They were the ones that voted against the objections. Pence wouldn’t vote being the president of the senate unless there was a tie and their wasn’t.
Please do your homework and read the thread before it is your move. There are laws out there that have to be followed. I supplied you with sites that identified the voting houses’ members by name. They were not enough in numbers in favor of the objections.
wy69
*EVEN* if that is true, which I'm not sure I believe, it would have still been a better result than what we have now.
Perhaps you see this differently, but I think it is in the best interest of the nation to create the impression that Joe Biden is absolutely illegitimate and he needs to go down in history with a footnote saying "disputed legitimacy."
The Media would have screamed, heads would have exploded, and otherwise cowardly office holders might have stepped forward and said "Pence has got a point."
Maybe it would have motivated legislatures to actually do their jobs regarding election laws being broken.
There are laws out there that have to be followed.
Yes, like laws forbidding the use of private servers to hold top secret government documents. Like laws against arson or assault. Like laws forbidding the use of made up evidence to get warrants.
Tell me about these laws that DC requires everyone to uphold.
And let me be clear. I understand what you are saying I just disagree that it is correct.
“...I just disagree that it is correct.”
Then look it up. And I’ll help you with that. Here is the congressional way things are done from a congress website:
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/article-2/section-1/
And this one is from congress based upon numerous amendments:
https://www.archives.gov/files/electoral-college/state-officials/presidential-election-brochure.pdf
The president of the senate, the VPOTUS, is just as scripted as the action by the electors all the way to determination of winner. The VPOTUS cannot stop the finished process except through challenges by congress at the time of the action. There were challenges, which Pence recognized and started the proper action to determine their status. But when they were starting them in committee, they had to evacuate and later could not provide the votes required to go forward with them when they reconvened in committees.
As for Pence, if he volunteers to waiver from doing the scripted job he is to perform, then he is unavailable to do the work. The Constitution instructs the Senate to choose a president pro tempore to preside over the Senate in the absence of the vice president. Pro tempore is a Latin term meaning “for the time being,” signaling that the position was originally conceived as a temporary replacement. Pence did exactly what he was supposed to do. He would become absent the moment he waivered from his scripted actions.
I don’t disagree with you that the election was tainted due to the thousands of arrests, and many convictions, for voter tampering, proven and questionable incidences, and fraud. But there is no legal precedence to change the scripted procedure in the Constitution other than what was done. So Pence is no more to blame than the people the country elected that didn’t do their job by recognizing the problem but not supporting (voting in committee) the way to correct it. And that all boils down to the failure of the voters, the states, and the many organizations in existence to keep people like this out of D.C. The founders never imagined this type of mistreatment of the country. And they never imagined such a wide spread conspiracy needed to keep it from finishing honestly with the process they did put in place per the Cosntitution.
wy69
“Yes, like laws forbidding the use of private servers to hold top secret government documents...
Sorry, I almost forgot...There is no law for government servers concerning security. It falls under a DOD instruction:
https://www.esd.whs.mil/portals/54/documents/dd/issuances/dodi/850001_2014.pdf
There are a lot of laws protecting the citizens from cyber actions, but not for government stored information. That falls under federal control.
The problem with the process that I found in Hilly’s situation is that she never signed the form that she had been briefed before they gave her a CAC card. She claimed she wasn’t, but there were signed documents in her PIF.
There are a number of documents to sign off to receive a clearance especially at her level being Sec Of State. So someone must have said something to her at some point otherwise she wouldn’t have received secret clearance to observe the documents she had access to to include high level top secret. I worked in NBC so mine was pretty high. It took a while to get it down graded when I retired. And mine was evaluated and re-established annually because of what I did. She would be in the same boat but apparently there was some errors made. And she had to know it.
wy69
The constitution overrides the congress on issues (such as this one) where the two are in conflict.
The procedure for that conflict was being accomplished by the directive of the Constitution. Pence did exactly what he was supposed to do. The reason the conflicts didn’t go any further is because they didn’t get the votes in committee when they reconvened.
The term “the congressional way things are done” was from the directives in the Constitution. They were followed. There never was any issue in the procedure of the count of the electoral college by both houses or Pence. Please read the 12th amendment Article II section I. Like I have tried to display, there is a process for objections to the count, but none have to do with Pence other than his directing them to committee if they are properly entered which he did.
wy69
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