Posted on 01/25/2021 2:32:18 PM PST by Hojczyk
A Trump third party could provoke a pivotal realignment in American politics. With the support of 46% of registered voters in the new poll, Democrats would reap the benefits of a fractured opposition and entrench themselves as the nation's dominant party — even without majority support.
Among "very conservative" voters — who make up a disproportionately large bloc within the Republican primary electorate — a Trump Patriot Party crushes the GOP 55%-24%.
Should Trump remain in the GOP, his wide lead among these highly motivated voters affords him great leverage to influence the direction of the party by wielding the threat of conservative primary challenges against establishment Republicans ill at ease with the former president's combative brew of conservatism infused with populism and nationalism.
(Excerpt) Read more at justthenews.com ...
Only on FR can you find people who seem to think the new party will double the Ross Perot vote and reduce Republicans to the level of Libertarian votes in a 4 year period.
First question....
Who is counting the votes?
Same set up?
You lose!
“How did the Republicans beat the Whigs?
They didn’t. The Whigs’ last Presidential candidate, Winfield Scott, lost by over 200 electoral votes in 1852. By the next Presidential election, 1856, when the Republicans ran their first Presidential candidate, the Whigs had already disbanded.
In between was the 1854-55 Congressional elections, the first federal election with Republican candidates, but the Republicans came in a distant 3rd behind the Democrats and Whigs in the Senate and 4th behind the Democrats, Whigs, and Know-Nothings in the House. No party held a majority of the House—the election of Speaker took about 2 months and resulted in the election of Know Nothing, Free Soiler, and future infamous Union general Nathaniel Banks as Speaker.
So the Republican Party never really “beat” the Whigs. It lost to the Whigs in the only federal election contested by both parties.”
Good post. Very informative.
From several accounts, Trump is distancing himself from this 3d party....for now.
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The word that comes to mind is *leverage*.
False dilemma (either or fallacy)
What’s so “shocking” about this? Anyone with a brain can see it’s true.
The question is, should we *want* it to be true? That is, is the fracturing of the GOP really in *our* best interests, or is it in someone *else’s* best interests?
Many in the GOP are weak and spineless no argument there. Especially without Trump to keep them in line. I submit however, there is no other national force that can reasonably at least slow the coming tide of socialism and group think that currently seems the goal of leftists.
Think about it for a second, before you celebrate such news. Maybe the best course of action is to keep them (the GOP) in line, along the lines of what got Trump elected in the first place: America First. Keep them in line with primary threats.
Otherwise, I respectfully submit, we are on a dangerous course to becoming third party insignificance. Because really, pragmatically, that’s what a third party is, from the right or left: insignificant.
This isn’t an argument for a third party so much as it is an argument for reforming the Deep State Republicans.
seriously.
Look at history, folks. What did Teddy Roosevelt do when he went third party? He gave us the terrible Woodrow Wilson.
We’re still paying the price, in some ways, for his bad presidency.
Anyway, I hope DJT reforms the Republicans. I know I’m sick of the weasels. (yes there are some good ones.)
Dims learned from that and kept them off the ballot.
What our side has to do is keep the stupid Libertarian party out of the way.
They cost Trump the following states:
GA - 16 ev
WI - 10 ev
AZ - 11 ev
37 EVs.
China Jo received (?) 306 evs.
306-37 = 269.
Tie goes to the House where the GOP controlled the # of legislatures. Trump wins.
The Constitution Party didn't help either siphoning off votes in WI and MI.
‘All they do is help the polar opposite side for over 150 years’
will you please stop talking sense on this thread...?
It is NOT doomed.
Consider the flipside of this -- if CA, WA, OR, CT, RI and other blue states have underperforming GOPs, what better reason to take over from within?
Again, I take pains to point out (because, seriously, these threads are a pain), that Trump has a FAT STACK of GOP IOUs. IOUs from Congresscritters that are all still going to be around in 2024.
My guess is once it was advertised, promoted to Republicans and Disaffected Democrats, it would pull a very strong majority from the Republican party and grab disaffected Dems. I honestly think the here and now is the only time it could happen. The pain is too raw and the betrayal too deep and we the people saw what the Dems AND Republican leaders did...
Has EVERYONE here forgotten how many of these GOP split their OWN party to vote for the senile Biden REALLY you are willing to go back to this party?? You ALL HAVE battered wife syndrome GIVE ME A DAMN BREAK!!{
“It was always understood that a splinter party would lose general elections and give the Democrats super-majorities with which they could rewrite the Constitution to give every single person on earth a vote in US elections.”
They already have it anyway, and they’ve been ignoring the Constitution for several years now ... they, the Rats and Rep(tiles) just took down a POTUS with a 51% approval rating. I am of they opinion they cheated in doing so, as are many other, and almost nobody from the GOP had the balls to dig into it and see if there was evidence.
The GOP only wants money ... and they’ll use fear to get it (basically by telling us what you posted ... that it’ll split the vote and give it all to the Dems). My response to their little fear scheme is that we are going to do this with or without support from all disillusioned Republicans and Democrats, and the GOP/Rats clearly couldn’t care less about We the People, so what do you have to lose voting 3rd party? If the GOP wins, we *still* lose!!!!
Again, the GOP did every single thing they could to prevent Trump from running. Then, after he won, they did everything they could to destroy his presidency. Do you really think they care about us? Again, we are nothing more than free money for those deadbeats.
If the Dems get supermajorities and want to destroy the country, let them at this point ... it’s going to happen anyway based on what I’ve seen these past 4 years. Again, they do not want to win at all, they seem happier being the opposition party, and they clearly have no desire to have anyone conservative in their lame Romney/Ryan club.
To HELL with the GOP!
If a vibrant and viable 3rd party could stay cohesive, it could become a force in politics. By electing as few as 20-30 Representatives, it could sway House votes. By electing 3-4 Senators, it could sway Senate votes.
It could pull in conservative ‘former Pubbies’ and ‘former Reagan Democrats’.
The problem would be it becoming infiltrated and destroyed from within — as the Deep State did against the Tea Party.
And the 1850s are hardly a model for today’s nationalized politics. Then, the various third parties that cannibalized the Democrat and Whig vote were regionally strong but nationally weak: For example, the “Anti-Nebraska Party” swept every Ohio House seat in 1854, and the “People’s Party” won all but two Indiana House seats, but neither party won anywhere else. An opposition coalition was able to elect a Know-Nothing Speaker even though Democrats controlled a 48% plurality of the House.
There’s no way that would happen today. Third-party runs would simply result in Democrats picking up formerly safe Republican seats in 2022 and winning reliably red states in 2024. Ready for Kamala Harris to carry Texas and Florida?
I don't think a Patriot Party and a GOP will exist side by side. IMO the bulk of the Republican electorate, 92% of whom approve of Trump, will slowly migrate to the Patriot Party. The remaining minority establishment elites of the GOP will move to the Democrat Party and label themselves as "conservative Dems" (which is a joke because there is no such thing). The Dem party leaders will accept them, may be less than enthusiastically (at least as a show), knowing they have far more in common than not. The old GOP itself will wither away. When the dust settles there will be two parties (finally) - the MAGA party/Patriot Party/ America-First Party.. or whatever you want to call it, and the party of the DC Elite, Silicon Valley Elite, Media/ Academia/ Hollywood Elite and their coalition of various identity groups, otherwise known as the Democrat Party.
Yep ALOT of money, which is sad really. Im sure the founders did not intend it to be this way, but I suppose there is alot of things we see today that the founders would abhor.
A new party isn’t going to solve or stop vote fraud.
‘Moreover, we are never going to win with the Dem’s new advantage they’re manufacturing with nationwide mail in voting and same day registration.’
I must have missed where it was decreed that pubbies were forbidden to engage in nationwide mail in and same day registration...
We need to keep in mind that The Patriot Party is a one-man thing from a one-man website opportunist the filed an FEC form to collect money.
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