Posted on 11/26/2016 5:51:28 PM PST by drewh
The Green Party is crowdfunding $2.5 million to challenge the 2016 election results in three states. Video provided by Newsy Newslook
"What we're doing is standing up for an election system that we can trust. We deserve to have votes that we can believe in,"
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“there will be no recount in pa”
Never say never.
The bar may be high to get a PA court to approve a recount there, but it’s not impossible. Especially when you’re the Clintons, and have your hooks in cronies, sycophants, and minions, throughout the court system.
These days, the VP is selected by the Presidential Nominee. That's not going to change. It's Pence.
“I’ve posted the Twelfth Amendment so many times I’m sick of it. He only needs a majority of the electors actually appointed.”
Fred, I mentioned that at the bottom of my post. Maybe I should have left the first part unsaid.
Jill is running stuff on twitter about ditching the electoral college.
Thanks for the explanation, Okie.
Thanks, Fred. Like others, I'm learning about the details of this process by the hour.
Much appreciated.
That scenario was changed by the 12th Amendment.
They will never be able to complete a hand recount by the deadline.
they can if Soros mobilizes the paid rent a mobs in Chicago and Jesse J leads them to volunteer in the ‘promised land’ of Michigan...
Field grade and general officer corps very much politicized over the last 8 years. Lots of leftists in the senior ranks.
While Hillary and Stein probably drew from the same pool, Trump, Johnson (libertarian) and McMullen (R) drew far more collective votes.
Are you sure? Because the American Thinker article posted today makes the case that with WI. MI & PA stalled by Dec 13th, it will go to House of Reps to decide.
They are basing their argument on a brief submitted by George Bush's legal team during the 2000 election fiasco. In that brief, Meese and several attorneys filing on behalf of Bush argued that the Florida Supreme Court's decision to bar the Florida legislature from acting in the event of a failure to count the outstanding votes which Gore asserted were still uncounted would lead to a Constitutionally unacceptable result not envisioned by the Founders.
The arguments of Meese, et al were meretricious, at best. At that time, they did not know that the Supreme Court would overturn the decision of Florida's highest court. This would have been a disaster for Bush, and it is what makes Bush's situation far different from Trump's: Trump can win even if WI, MI, and PA are all disqualified. On the other hand, Gore did not need to win the recount in Florida; all he needed to do was disqualify the appointment of Florida's electors. Without Florida in his column, Bush could not win.
This is what Florida's crooked Supreme Court was trying to insure all along.
It is also the key to understanding why Meese and his team made the argument that they did: it was a "Hail Mary." They needed Florida, and believed that the US Supreme Court would rule that election laws -- even the election of Federal offices -- is governed by the states, so the SCOTUS would allow the Florida Supreme Court ruling to stand. If they did, the election was over and Gore would have won.
The way out was provided by a unanimous decision by the US Supreme Court which held that Florida's Constitution could not be interpreted by any Court to suggest that any body except for the Florida legislature was entitled to determine the method of appointing electors.
When that gambit failed, Florida's Supreme Court returned a new ruling mandating that that specific counties in Florida could recount their votes (in the hope that Gore could still prevail by flipping enough votes to overcome Bush's lead.)
In a 7-2 ruling, the US Supreme Court also reversed that decision, writing that a recount of only selective counties would deny the rest of Florida the Equal Protection guaranteed by the Fourteenth Amendment. As an ancillary question, the US Supreme Court also ruled 5-4 that a full state recount required by the 7-2 ruling could not be completed in time to comply with the safe haven date of 35 days post election required by Federal law for all controversies to be settled in the appointment of electors.
[I add the rest of this history because liberals like to pretend that the Us Supreme Court "selected" Bush by a narrow majority, violating the will of the people. It did no such thing. In fact, it did exactly the opposite. The major decisions in the case were unanimous, and 7-2. Not 5-4. The major decision in the case was to tell the Florida Supreme Court -- and by extension all future courts -- that the Founders specifically intended the appointment of electors to be decided by political bodies and NOT by the courts. It was a democratic, but not Democratic victory.]
In any case, the wording of both Article II and Amendment XII is quite clear: the issue only goes to the House in the event that there is no majority in the appointed electors, NOT in the event that there is no majority in the eligible electors.
The text is straightforward, like all Constitutional wording. It was intended to be understood by ordinary citizens of even modest capacity, and not to be a lawyer's plaything. I encourage you to read it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelfth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution.
Yes, thank you!
Jill Stein sounds like a communist lion.
Loon not lion. Jill Stein sounds like a communist loon.
If the Dems are in charge of this, it won’t be a “hand recount”. I’ll be a ‘handjob’.
You are correct. When the hand recount was requested that was the end of Rossi’s electoral hopes. In fact I wrote down a number that was my prediction for the final result giving the race to Gregoire. My number was 192, the actual winning margin was 129.
Complete Soros operation
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