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Stone: Even If Trump Wins 1,237 Delegates, Cruz Could Use "Procedural" Means To take...
RealClear Politics ^ | April 20, 2016 | Tim Haines

Posted on 04/21/2016 4:28:44 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

Trump strategist Roger Stone tells NJ 101.5 radio that even if Donald Trump wins a majority of pledged delegates to the Republican convention, Cruz will utilize "Trojan horse" delegates (who are bound to vote for Trump only on the first RNC nomination ballot) to vote on "procedural" matters in the Rules Committee or Credentials committee to block or disallow certain votes.

ROGER STONE: Unfortunately just because Donald Trump gets the 1,237 [delegates needed to win], doesn't mean we aren't going to have a brokered convention. My sources, who are pretty good in the Republican Party, indicate to me that Ted Cruz intends to work a "rules strategy" to try to euchre this nomination away from Donald Trump.

In kind of a shady, using political trickery and so on, utilizing these Trojan Delegates we have been talking about -- Where Trump delegates, from the results of the primary -- those seats are filled with non-Trump voters, non-Trump supporters who will vote against Trump on procedural issues in either rules or credentials that could be used to take away his majority.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Maryland; US: New York; US: Ohio; US: Texas
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To: JPJones

I’ve heard rumors for over two weeks from two other states.

It would require Cruz to pull the SoS final results and sort by affiliation. To toss those votes would be in violation of the individual state party laws. Some of those laws are contradictory to the national party rules. We’ll see.


61 posted on 04/21/2016 5:38:43 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies; Impy
RE:”Stone exposes the light on Ted. :”

Like I said, Trump's sleazy thug henchmen Stone is a good enough reason to oppose Trump.

Scumbag Trump lackey Roger Stone is THREATENING GOP convention delegates in intimidation tactic(RightScoop)

Such Marxist like behavior is more suited for the Hillary party. No doubt Hillary is pulling both (trump and Stone's) their puppet strings.

62 posted on 04/21/2016 5:43:10 AM PDT by sickoflibs (MAKE SURE YOUR VOTE COUNTS! VOTE TED CRUZ SO THAT YOUR VOTES TRANSLATES INTO DELEGATES!)
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To: LMAO

From what authority do you speak?... You need to catch up....It’s already on the table.

You are not on the RNC rules committee or you would not be here right now since they are having breakfast.

Ted & Jeff Roe will be trying to convince the committee to try this stunt. It is part of their agenda for both today and tomorrow. Along with the power-point presentation on their path to victory which they presented yesterday.


63 posted on 04/21/2016 5:46:31 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: BobL

The uniparty does not care if the R wing or the D wing of the uniparty wins. They are fine with the globalist Hillary and they are fine with the globalist Cruz. Only Trump scares the globalist uniparty and they will do anything to prevent Trump from becoming President of the USA. Cruz is their point man and Cruz will go scorched earth if that is what he is told to do.


64 posted on 04/21/2016 5:46:34 AM PDT by jpsb (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied. Otto von Bismark)
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
I recall back in 1960 Sen. Lyndon Johnson was the democrats presumptive candidate. But at the convention the democrat party committee were able to dislodge Johnson and appointSen John Kennedy as the candidate. Then with a combination of voting frauds in a few states, Kennedy was "elected".

Does anybody remember that?

If you don't, just keep in mind democrats are masters of vote fraud.

65 posted on 04/21/2016 5:47:34 AM PDT by Rapscallion (You are correct. It IS a conspiracy, not a bad dream.)
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To: Mom MD

First of all I don’t consider Roger Stone a reliable source on what day of the week it s let alone the opposing campaign Having said that, and I am no Trump fan, if Trump has 1237 delegates headed into Cleveland he should win on the first ballot without controversy and those of us who can’t stand him will have to decide how big a clothespin it will take yo hold our nose on election day


This story and those latching onto it remind me of a guy I used to work with that insisted GWB was looking for a way to remain in office even after the end of his last term. Why, I needed to WAKE UP and open my eyes. He even had websites for me to go so I can learn something. It was typical GWB....lol

Even those of us who do not back Trump’s rise to the nomination will fight for his right to run if he gets the 1237 and someone tries to deny him the nomination


66 posted on 04/21/2016 5:48:16 AM PDT by LMAO (" I probably identify more as Democrat," Donald Trump 2004)
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

See post 66. ;)


67 posted on 04/21/2016 5:50:21 AM PDT by LMAO (" I probably identify more as Democrat," Donald Trump 2004)
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To: Mom MD

And the head of the CO republican party was caught in a long term affair and accused the CO AG and party members of blackmail back in July. And Tom Tancredo is how involved....

Colorado is a mess.


68 posted on 04/21/2016 5:50:29 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: ScottinVA

He is a fabulous at starting rumors. I just get a feeling the even being in the room with him would make me feel like I needed a shower. He just oozzzzzzes dirt, filth and slime.


69 posted on 04/21/2016 5:52:49 AM PDT by biff
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To: rbg81

Do you receive his twitter posts? I do. They’re a lot different than they used to be. He’s pounding the “Cruz can’t get to 1237 meme,” as he should ‘cause it’s good politickin’ but he’s also hitting Hillary hard and often. Other than that he’s talking about where he’ll be, thanking the people he just left, etc. Very presidential.

His Twitter has completely changed, and I think the change dates to Manafort coming on. Trump is showing he can take good advice and learn from his mistakes.


70 posted on 04/21/2016 5:53:52 AM PDT by LNV (Nov. 2016-Trump the B!tch!)
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To: Mom MD

Its not an unreasonable assumption that Conservatives still supporting Cruz can be persuaded to support Trump with not much more then information that shows his positions without the filters and spin. With Trump its not trust or moral issues for the most part that are the problem.

On the other hand, Cruz is seen by many conservatives as dishonest, power hungry and pushing hidden anti-American agendas under a lawyer’s skill of manipulation. That’s not fixable when hes seen as one of the ones we have been fighting while the Brash Outsider is seen as being mostly right with some warts but there is no doubt he loves America and wants to help Americans.

Based on the above, the odds are good we can come back together under Trump but not under a contested convention.


71 posted on 04/21/2016 5:55:33 AM PDT by Mechanicos (Trump is for America First. Cruz is for America Last. It's that simple.)
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

Roger stone is a sociopathic liar.

That is primarily what the trump campaign is about.


72 posted on 04/21/2016 5:56:09 AM PDT by lonestar67 (Trump is anti-conservative / Cruz 2016)
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To: austinaero
"They have. That’s why Trump is winning."

If they have, then why is Trump still whining

73 posted on 04/21/2016 5:59:36 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (The Stone Age did not end because we ran out of stones)
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To: Velvet_Jones
"The right way to do it.....is to have the establishment give them to you!"

I suppose that's why Trump wants the GOPe to give him the nomination without winning a majority of the delegates.

74 posted on 04/21/2016 6:02:30 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (The Stone Age did not end because we ran out of stones)
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To: LNV

I don’t do Twitter, but I believe you.


75 posted on 04/21/2016 6:06:07 AM PDT by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
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To: LMAO
There’s no procedural means planned or contemplated by anyone.

I was reading an article on here the other day about one state where the Cruz organization was getting their people out to the conventions where the actual delegates were selected. They were raising challenges to any delegate that was a Trump supporter, getting them disqualified and replaced by Cruz supporters.

I don't doubt for a minute that Cruz will implement any and every unethical tactic and procedure he can get away with to thwart the will of the voters.

And if he's successful, the Cruz supporters will blame his loss in the fall on the Trump supporters who stayed home as some sort of act of revenge. Not all of the Trump suporters will of course. There are plenty of people who would still vote for pond scum if it had an R behind it's name. But enough will stay home in the swing states that Cruz will lose.

76 posted on 04/21/2016 6:15:07 AM PDT by Wissa (I don't know when that road turned onto the road I'm on.)
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

This smells and needs to get out to the public for what it is.


77 posted on 04/21/2016 6:17:00 AM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common any more.)
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To: LMAO

That’s reassuring to know:

Even those of us who do not back Trump’s rise to the nomination will fight for his right to run if he gets the 1237 and someone tries to deny him the nomination. And the reverse should be our reaction if any other republican was bring defrauded.

And keep remembering that republican scheming is only child’s play when you face the entire cheating machine of the DNC Clinton cabal.


78 posted on 04/21/2016 6:17:19 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: 4rcane
Did Lincoln "steal" the election in 1860?
How about Eisenhower in 1952? Was that "theft"???

Learn the process. We are NOT a democracy, we are a republic, and the Republicans model their nomination process after the republic process, election of representatives.

Lincoln won on the 3rd, almost 4th, ballot by the way...

Presidential Ballot
Nominee Home State 1st 2nd 3rd 3rd "corrected"
William H. Seward New York 173.5 184.5 180 111.5
Abraham Lincoln Illinois 102 181 231.5 349
Simon Cameron Pennsylvania 50.5 2 0 0
Salmon P. Chase Ohio 49 42.5 24.5 2
Edward Bates Missouri 48 35 22 0
William L. Dayton New Jersey 14 10 1 1
John McLean Ohio 12 8 5 0.5
Jacob Collamer Vermont 10 0 - -
Benjamin F. Wade Ohio 3 0 - -
John M. Read Pennsylvania 1 0 - -
Charles Sumner Massachusetts 1 0 - -
John C. Fremont California 1 0 - -
Cassius M. Clay Kentucky - 2 1 1

79 posted on 04/21/2016 6:17:42 AM PDT by plewis1250 (The pecking order: Christian, American, Conservative)
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To: castlegreyskull
If he does this, he will probably lose about 50 states.

Maybe even all 57.

80 posted on 04/21/2016 6:18:35 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (The would-be Empress has no clothes. My eyes!)
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