Posted on 04/09/2016 9:00:02 PM PDT by Enlightened1
The Republican party is not winnning friends or influencing people by saying to the Republican voters in 2016 your vote no long counts. Think about it!
The popular vote has always been honored by the Delegates unless it was very, very close like in 1952. We have a public election. We have all this money being spent. We have false advertising that say things like, “go vote”, “one man one vote”, “one woman one vote”, “every vote counts”, “you decide 2008”, “you decide 2012” and “you decide 2016”.
Now because the Establishment candidates have lost in the Republican Primary.... They are saying oh no because we changed the rules a way back, and because we lost we are not going to let you win! The Republican Party in 2016 is saying to the Republican voters that your vote no longer counts. I believe that is indefensible!
Even when the parties claim they have all this internal power. When the parties hold themselves out as a public watch dog on tv and radio. When they hold themselves out with this it is false advertising! I can show all the instances of “Your vote counts. Come join our party”. This is public fraud, and it’s very dangerous to VOID the votes and discard the WILL of the people. I can see this even leading to possible class action law suits for false advertising.
In any event, if we sit by and do not get upset, then it will normalize these Establishment fat cats who claim they now APPOINT who can run for office. If you select the candidates, then is that not a form of canceling the 2016 election? Therefore, we just wil have ceremonial events every four years instead of actual elections. Furthermore, are we not just like communist China where the party appoints its own Presidents and successors vs. having a real Primary where every vote counts?
We the people are not their subjects or surfs. The government are the servants to the people. That is what we learn in the Delcartion of Indepence, the U.S. Constitutuon and the Bill of Rights. If this Venezuelan/North Korean/Cuban corrupt election is allowed to get away with this, then what is next to fall? I think this country will turn into a banana republic.
I can’t express to you how disappointed I am with many so called patriots on TV and radio that cavalierly dismiss this as no big deal. My guess is they are either completely out of touch with reality or they are working for the other side.
I doubt that when Trump did the things you are complaining about, he was seriously thinking about running for president in '16!
What's weirder and far worse, is a Canadian born, with one parent being a Cuban Citizen at the time of his foreign birth, imagining that he could get away with breaking with what's in the Constitution and Federal law, by ILLEGALLY running for president. This is especially true and pertinent, when one considers the FACT that when he was running for the Senate seat, in Texas, he KNEW, and clearly stated, in public and over the airwaves, just what a NBC is! Now, he lies and claims otherwise...how very WEIRD that is!
If the rules are changed this year and Trump loses, he will call for riots.
If the rules are not changed to let Trump win, he will call for riots.
OTOH, these ARE the rules that all of the candidates have been and are working under, now.
The old heads I win, tails you lose kind of thing.
I’m getting sick of hearing how 37% of the vote is a sacred mandate, give me a break.
We will see.
If Trump wins outright, my vote counts.
If Trump wins a contested convention, my vote counts.
If Trump is rejected by the GOP despite being the clear front runner, then it’s the GOP that no longer counts. Because if they do that, then they don’t offer an alternative to the Democrats and there is no way to reform them.
“I doubt that when Trump did the things you are complaining about, he was seriously thinking about running for president in ‘16!”
Probably not, I give him the benefit of the doubt. But hey, he was on pro-wrestling way back in 2013. Why was he on pro-wrestling in 2013 if he didn’t have to be and didn’t care about being president? He just dug it, right?
Ok, I’m not seeing why this is something to be over-looked or ignored or whatever.
Freegards
These are the RNC's rules. Their own rules. So, how does Cruz get delegates that are BOUND to another candidate by the party's own rules?
Let me clarify the rules about bounded delegates. They are only bound on the first ballot, and some states up to the second ballot. On the third ballot, all the delegates are unbounded. Those are the rules. So smart candidates work on delegates to switch after they become unbound.
Ping
Now be a good little lunatic and tell the matron on your ward that you want to go back to your padded cell and need a sleeping pill and more electric shock therapy.
And if Trump does not get 1237 he is mathematically eliminated.
LOL
DK
The individual state parties set the former, including any rules on "bound" delegate. The RNC establishes more general.rules governing the ci vention itself.
The RNC is the wrong entity to blame if you don't like the delegate selection rules within each state.
That one needs to return to its new home and stay put.
You’re exactly right.
The Cruz supporters also pretended that they wanted an “outsider” who would shake up DC. Cruz even used to run with the mantra that he would fight the “DC Cartel.” He doesn’t say that anymore. He has insider support and funding and all of a sudden those oh so principled holier than thou Conservatives who wanted an outsider,,,well,,,that’s exposed as BS! Total BS! They don’t care if their guys is already a pig feeding at the DC trough. That’s ok with them.
It’s called hypocrisy.
I will vote for the MAN who hasn’t been in DC screwing with the rules and playing cute games with boundaries.
I’ll vote for Trump. That’s just it.
“One bright spot I see in all this slapstick tragedy that’s going on is that the corrupt and unrepresentative nature of the process in general and the caucus systems in particular is making national headlines to an extent I have not seen before. Even if Cruz/GOPe do ultimately stop Trump, a sleeping giant seems to have been awakened; and the selection system upon which they depend is starting to crack.”
Exactly. Now WHICH candidate has brought this all out into the open? HINT: It’s not pro-establishment Cruz.
“Probably not, I give him the benefit of the doubt. But hey, he was on pro-wrestling way back in 2013. Why was he on pro-wrestling in 2013 if he didn’t have to be and didn’t care about being president? He just dug it, right?
Ok, I’m not seeing why this is something to be over-looked or ignored or whatever.
Freegards”
Really? Who gives a damn about wrestling? Seriously? That is completely meaningless now.
He’ll be lucky to get elected as dog catcher, in TX, now.
Wait....maybe you’re talking about Canada...lol.
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