Ted Cruz Tries, Fails to Explain ‘New York Values’ to Actual New Yorkers

NY Mag ^ | 7 Apr 16 | Claire Landsbaum

[xzins]

Cruz's reception in New York was chilly.

Back in January, Ted Cruz made the mistake of assuming the rest of America still hates New York. His dismissal of "New York values" didn't endear him to the Empire State — Governor Cuomo demanded an apology from Cruz, and the New York Daily News did what the New York Daily News does best — and as expected, the comment came back to haunt him as he campaigned in the Bronx on Wednesday.

Meanwhile, at a massive rally in Long Island, Donald Trump, who's polling ahead of Cruz in New York by a wide margin, used the senator's remarks against him. "Do you remember during the debate when he started lecturing me on New York values like we're no good?" Trump asked the crowd. "Folks, I think you can forget about him."

[Kenton]

Ted Cruz Tries, Fails to Explain ‘New York Values’ to Actual New Yorkers

Fugitaboutit. That's like trying to explain any kind of values to a pack of hyenas.

[xzins]

I agree. New York is a lost cause.

[xzins]

New York is a lost cause for Cruz. He needs to stop spending money there.

[Lucky9teen]

The reason I did not answer your question specifically, is because its a false premise. He was asked specifically about Donald Trump and he answered in relation to DONALD TRUMP specifcally, not to the ENTIRE state of NY.

BARTIROMO: Senator Cruz, you suggested Mr. Trump, quote, "embodies New York values." Could you explain what you mean by that?

CRUZ: There are many, many wonderful, wonderful working men and women in the state of New York. But everyone understands that the values in New York City are socially liberal or pro-abortion or pro- gay-marriage, focus around money and the media.

And -- and I would note indeed, the reason I said that is I was asked -- my friend Donald has taken to it as (ph) advance playing Bruce Springsteen's "Born in the USA", and I was asked what I thought of that.

And I said, "well, if he wanted to play a song, maybe he could play, 'New York, New York'?" And -- and -- you know, the concept of New York values is not that complicated to figure out.

Not too many years ago, Donald did a long interview with Tim Russert. And in that interview, he explained his views on a whole host of issues that were very, very different from the views he's describing now.

And his explanation -- he said, "look, I'm from New York, that's what we believe in New York. Those aren't Iowa values, but this is what we believe in New York." And so that was his explanation.

And -- and I guess I can -- can frame it another way. Not a lot of conservatives come out of Manhattan. I'm just saying.

Ted is correct, in that the values Trump specifically holds, are liberal, just as he explained. And its a big reason Democrats keep getting elected over and over. Its a reason liberal policies keep being implemented.

If people had Texas values, they would be more Conservative, more about their God, Bible, guns, family, less government, etc.

I realize its hard for you to make sense, even common sense, when you don't think for yourself, and I doubt my explanation will help you, but at least I answered it as completely and thoroughly as I could. :)

[xzins]

As promised:

Here’s the link to Cruz’s recent comments (April 2015) on both illegals and H1Bs.

Go to:

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/04/30/ted-cruz-there-is-no-stronger-advocate-for-legal-immigration-in-the-u-s-senate-than-i-am/comment-page-2/

For H1B go to 38:20 to 40ish

For Illegal Discussion after Borders secured go to: 1:21.10 to 1:23 or so

[Responsibility2nd]

Jim, PLEASE clarify that statement. I know the subject here is abortion. And as such you don’t mean that any time Mom wants to murder her toddler she gets a free pass.

I take it you mean that she should get a free pass to murder her UNBORN child. I disagree with that. I think that’s a pro-abortion position.

But that’s just my opinion.

[P-Marlowe]

If he would have said “California values” we would all know exactly what he meant. No values at all.

[xzins]

Too bad you and other Californians exist to prove that untrue. :>)

[BykrBayb]

Whoa! Jim was replying to xzin’s post about all the candidates being pro abortion. In that context, I took Jim’s statement to mean the politicians are against holding women responsible for their part in abortions.

Rest assured, Jim is prolife.

[xzins]

You are exactly right.

Since all candidates are saying that a mother can murder her baby with no consequence, then all candidates have a pro-abortion position.

[Hoodat]

Trump’s own words have no bearing on what Ted Cruz thinks. To imply that Ted Cruz stands for something because of what Donald Trump said is asinine.

[servantboy777]

Nice stats....thanx for sharing. lol

That's exactly the point.

[Fantasywriter]

What I wrote was fact. When he announced, Cruz made no mention of a wall, a border crisis, a foreign invader crime wave, deportation or the country’s catastrophic loss of sovereignty. After Trump started pounding on those issues, Me-Too-Ted started pounding on them too.

Oops, correction. Me-Too-Ted started pounding on the wall and deportation. He still avoids the devastation of foreign invader crime and the country-destroying loss of sovereignty. But he at least now does acknowledge that illegals are an issue. [If you say he did before, then cite the line/lines from his announcement speech that mentions them. I’ll wait...forever.]

[Responsibility2nd]

Since all candidates are saying that a mother can murder her baby with no consequence, then all candidates have a pro-abortion position.

 

Last week when Donald Trump made his "Punish the Woman" remarks and then immediately walked them back, we here at FR had major discussions about the issue.

If you believe (as I do) that the woman should be punished, then fine. Just know that hard stance is not ever gonna fly in our political culture.

If you want to give the mothers a free pass (like Ted, Donald and even pro-life groups like March 4 Life) and not charge the mothers - then you stand a greater chance at decreasing abortions and increasing pro-life policies and laws.

And I understand both positions. I do. It'll never be never any abortions. Period. Under any circumstances. The best (they tell us) we can hope for is fewer abortions.

[xzins]

I will sign onto that post of yours for the most part.

I will continue to disagree with all the republican candidates and the major so-called pro-life organizations.

They CLAIM they are working toward a life amendment.

Apparently, it’s an amendment with exceptions for maternal infanticide.

And that just goes to show the hypocrisy.....and MAYBE why this has never truly been advanced. They rail at the pro-aborts, the various types of pro-life candidates, etc., but the bottom line now appear to be that all will accept abortion.

That’s sort of eye opening. They’ve been playing us all along.

[caww]

'Almost winning' is not the same thing as crossing the "finish line"....Trumps not there yet....Race is still on!!!...Though Trumps currently taking an R&R to recuperate from his yuge 'loser' loss in Wisc...and re-'construct' his campaign team for the laps to come....should get interesting in the weeks ahead.....world is watching...some more than others.

[caww]

Cruz went into the heart of the NY City beast...’on purpose’....then Trump cancels 3 rallies in other states to secure his delegates in NY from the intruder on his turf............’Mission accomplished’...lolol....while Cruz is then free to secure the delegates in those very states Trump cancelled.

Cruz has been fortunate and appreciative of Trumps rallies as the media gets caught up in the drama....while he quietly and consistently has been working the delegate ground game behind all the hooplah.

Any place Cruz shows up is ‘strategically’ planned and orchestrated.

[Fantasywriter]

Cruz is not and has never been a leader. He led no one in the Senate; he merely grandstanded and saw his causes go down in flaming defeat.

In an election, a leader rallies the voters behind him. He wins at the ballot box. Cruz cannot do this; he’s the candidate people do NOT want to follow.

Cruz supporters think winning by any means is all that matters. If Cruz wins by backchannel ways, he and his supporters will learn the difference between that and rallying people behind you. Cruz still will not be a leader, and many voters will simply not turn out for him. He will be humiliated—like that time in the Senate when he couldn’t get even one colleague to second his motion.

[diamond6]

“Have you come out of your stupor long enough to check on whether or not cRuz has questioned CA’s values?”

I wish Cruz would. I live in California, and it is like a Communist country. This state is going downhill fast.

I am not at all proud of California values! These are not the values I believe in. And I have no problem with other people condemning them. There would be no reason for me to be offended, unless I was trying to justify at least some of them.

So why are you defending the liberal policies of New York values?

[caww]

Obviously you haven’t paid attention to how this game is played and still see this in light of what’s happened in the last months...it’s at a different phase of the process, and one you need to get your head around in order to rightly see what’s happening ahead.

At this juncture it doesn’t matter what you or I think of the candidates.....the field has narrowed to Cruz and Trump...with Kasich as a place holder....which as you know changes things from where they were competing with all the other candidates. The game changes as well as it looks as convention will indeed be the next stop should Trump not get his delegate count beforehand...and most agree Cruz has to stop that otherwise Trump wins before convention.

Both candidates will do what they have to and can do to win the primary now. You’ve used language that indicates for you it’s all about only who votes for Trump....and hitting at Cruz to win. That’s not all there is to this election which I’ve tried to explain and most understand at this juncture.

Further both candidates understand, as does the RNC leadership that there will always be a certain per-centage of voters who will refuse to vote in the general if their guy doesn’t win, which is figured into the equation long before the voters actually decide to or not. That’s also why each candidate needs to garner the GOP to support them along the way ...this cannot play without them though you;d prefer them not.

As for you ranting about Cruz.....I’m very much settled in and know his full history...as well as why he’s voted for or against many of the bills etc. before him. And also why he was opposed regardless.....

Nobody’s won an election by simply rallying the public around them....although it’s important of course that they do so....they must obtain the delegate count ‘required’ which the voters do get them if they pull that off.....popularity and emotional hoop-lah among voters isn’t all there is about an election....it is you and others who are “learning” about elections Fantasywriter, and good that you do. ...and whoever wins or loses for supporters....will get over it as they always do and we will then all see what the winner will do or not for the country.