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Apple iPhone ban? New York looks to outlaw sale of encrypted smartphones[$2,500 Fine]
ZDNet ^ | 14 Jan 2016 | Liam Tung

Posted on 01/15/2016 10:38:03 AM PST by Theoria

A proposed bill in New York seeks to require that all smartphones sold in the state can be decrypted or unlocked and proposes hefty fines for vendors failing to comply.

The proposed law marks the latest effort by lawmakers to make it easier for law enforcement to access and read encrypted data stored on smartphones.

Should the proposed bill successfully pass through New York's state assembly and senate, Apple and Google could face fines of $2,500 per device sold in the state after January 1, 2016, if a retailer knowingly sold a smartphone that could not be unlocked or decrypted by the device manufacturer or operating-system provider.

In other words, there's no requirement for Apple, Google, or device makers to create a backdoor. But if any manufacturer wants to sell a smartphone in the state, the device would need to comply with those requirements or else face a civil suit by the attorney general or district attorney.

New Yorkers who have an opinion about the proposal before it goes to assembly can give their 'aye' or 'nay' via a polling widget on the New York State Senate's page for the bill.

The proposed bill comes amid a long-running debate over backdoors and weakened encryption, in part sparked by Apple's move with iOS 8 to encrypt data stored on iPhones by default.

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To: Darksheare

good one!


21 posted on 01/15/2016 10:54:05 AM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Theoria

Hey, only criminals and the political resistance need encryption! < /sarc >


22 posted on 01/15/2016 10:54:22 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Theoria
Have you noticed the TV ads by NY State trying to lure businesses to the state by claiming it is a business friendly environment?

Now we see another democrat libtard move to kill business in New York and drive it to other states.


23 posted on 01/15/2016 10:55:53 AM PST by Iron Munro (The wise have stores of choice food and oil but a foolish man devours all he has. Proverbs 21:20)
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To: Theoria

NY values on display


24 posted on 01/15/2016 10:56:51 AM PST by plain talk (wages he means minimum wage=)
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To: Theoria

Someone is trying to shake $$$ out of Apple Computer.
They did the same thing with Intel and Microsoft till they toed the line.


25 posted on 01/15/2016 10:58:28 AM PST by Zathras
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To: Theoria

Anything that can be encrypted can be un-encrypted................


26 posted on 01/15/2016 10:58:39 AM PST by Red Badger (READ MY LIPS: NO MORE BUSHES!...............)
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To: Vaquero
NJ or CT. PA is closer than MA. And it's a NYC Not NY State thing. And a quick trip to 2 adjoining counties and you're golden.

(Court clerk reading charges) "The defendant is charged with possession of an encrypted cellular telephone within New York City, in violation of public law #...."

27 posted on 01/15/2016 10:59:16 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Nervous Tick

Oh yeah.
NY leads in idiotic actions and politicians.
So it will get LOTS of traction.


28 posted on 01/15/2016 10:59:44 AM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: Red Badger
Anything that can be encrypted can be un-encrypted................

Yes, if you have acres of supercomputers and months/years/millennia plus reason to devote them to decrypting one well-encrypted message.

Well, there's always "rubber hose cryptanalysis" too I suppose.

29 posted on 01/15/2016 11:06:16 AM PST by ctdonath2 (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the week or the timid. - Ike)
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To: Theoria
First the 2nd amendment.

Now the 1st amendment.

New York politicians are always out front on the gun control issue by claiming that NY State "reasonable" gun controls are rendered ineffective because NY inmates NY citizens can easily bypass their restrictive laws by purchasing guns in a free state.

Now they want to restrict New Yorkers' access to communication devices the same way they restrict access to guns.


30 posted on 01/15/2016 11:07:20 AM PST by Iron Munro (The wise have stores of choice food and oil but a foolish man devours all he has. Proverbs 21:20)
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To: butlerweave

After Mayor Giuliani left ...


31 posted on 01/15/2016 11:07:29 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Theoria

Words can’t describe how stupid these people are. Other than this being free speech related, it’s astonishing that they think this will work. They never anticipate changes in behavior and the reactions that *will* occur.


32 posted on 01/15/2016 11:07:51 AM PST by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: Theory; ThunderSleeps; dayglored; ShadowAce; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1234; Abundy; Action-America; ...
New York legislator introduces bill to ban all cellular phones that permit unbreakable encryption which would include iPhones, top end Android, and Windows phones. "It's for the children!" -- PING!

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33 posted on 01/15/2016 11:08:50 AM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue....)
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To: Theoria

They could just call Rent-A-Hacker and avoid all of this.

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34 posted on 01/15/2016 11:09:44 AM PST by Mears
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To: Swordmaker

oh for crying out loud

who’s brilliant brain fart was that???


35 posted on 01/15/2016 11:11:50 AM PST by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><> GO CRUZ!!!!)
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To: JimRed

In the article

“and proposes hefty fines for VENDORS failing to comply.”


36 posted on 01/15/2016 11:15:18 AM PST by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Theoria

This will have a number of results. I wonder how many of them the politicians will say these were unexpected and “unintended consequences”. They certainly should expect them.

* People who want secure communications will buy phones out of state (or country if the feds get their way)
* If Apple/Google comply then LG/Samsung/whoever get more market share
* Companies (foreign and some domestic) stop allowing employees to have Apple/Google devices. Another market share change to non-US companies
* If LG/Samsung/whoever’s secure devices are not allowed in NY (or the US), foreign companies stop putting executives in NY offices (or US offices if the feds get their way). It’s happened with web hosting and will happen with cell phones.

Airbus has claimed in European court that the CIA helped Boeing by illegally tapping phones. There is paranoia that the US gov’t will break the law to help US companies and giving the government keys to “secure” communication is not good.

Secure devices are available. Period. That won’t change. I can make one over the weekend from an unsecure channel on a device and open source libraries. People with a reason to avoid US snooping (e.g. ISIS, child porn rings, mafia, etc) will have secure devices - they can hire lots of people who know devices and crypto way better than me.


37 posted on 01/15/2016 11:16:03 AM PST by LostPassword
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38 posted on 01/15/2016 11:16:10 AM PST by Bobalu (Even if I could take off, I could never get past the tractor beam!)
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RE:”Apple iPhone ban? New York looks to outlaw sale of encrypted smartphones[$2,500 Fine]”

NY values ping!

39 posted on 01/15/2016 11:17:52 AM PST by sickoflibs (Donald Trump : 'It will be wonderful. It will be glorious., You will be amazed, Just wait"')
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To: Mears
They could just call Rent-A-Hacker and avoid all of this.

Uh, no. The Apple iPhone encryption is unhackable. It would take about 5.62 undecillion years to try every possible key using brute force to break into the 256bit AES encryption used on an iPhone if the user has chosen to use a sixteen character complex passcode and not much shorter if he's decided to stay with the four digit passcode. Why? Because the iPhone entangles the passcode with an internal 128 character UUID to use as the key for the encryption.

5.62 undecillion years is 5.62 x 10195 years.

There is no way for your putative hacker to find the passcode stored on the iPhone because it isn't stored on the iPhone. It's kept in the processor's Secure Enclave chip as a one-way HASH, and has to be recalculated from the input passcode each time. . . and the encryption key has to be recalculated each time as well.

40 posted on 01/15/2016 11:18:03 AM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue....)
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