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Have Evangelicals Who Support Trump Lost Their Values?
nytimes.com ^ | SEPT. 17, 2015 | RUSSELL MOORE

Posted on 09/18/2015 8:50:20 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

IN 2006, the television comedy “The Office” aired an episode in which one of the characters, Dwight Schrute, nervously faces the prospect of delivering a speech after winning the title of top salesman of the year for his company, Dunder Mifflin. As a prank, his co-worker preps him for his moment by cribbing a speech from a dictator, coaching him to deliver it by pounding the lectern and waving his arms wildly. Dwight does it, and the audience gives a standing ovation to a manic tirade.

Watching a cartoonish TV character deliver authoritarian lines with no principles, just audacity, was hilarious back then, but that was before we saw it happening before our eyes in the race for the United States presidency.

Donald J. Trump stands astride the polls in the Republican presidential race, beating all comers in virtually every demographic of the primary electorate. Most illogical is his support from evangelicals and other social conservatives. To back Mr. Trump, these voters must repudiate everything they believe.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2016election; election2016; epa; globalwarminghoax; newyork; newyorkcity; newyorkslimes; newyorktimes; popefrancis; romancatholicism; russellmoore; trump
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To: Elsie

Not a requirement for President IMO.


101 posted on 09/18/2015 11:59:45 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Elsie

True we’ve had Reagan and other non pastor Presidents.


102 posted on 09/18/2015 12:00:41 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Charles Henrickson

Oh, gad. It’s a damn primary.

What do you expect any candidate to actually DO about Kentucky? What can they actually *ACCOMPLISH*, on the campaign trail but tickle your ears?

There are bigger fish to fry for our nations survival, but you wouldn’t know about those, clearly, what with all your time and talent invested in your hang ups and your rabbit trails. sheesh.


103 posted on 09/18/2015 12:13:31 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: RitaOK

What the next President will DO, among other things, is to nominate justices for the Supreme Court. I want a guy who “gets” the Constitution to be doing that. An overreaching, intrusive, oppressive federal government, usurping powers not given it in the Constitution—having a President who understands that major problem and will act against it, that is truly a “big fish” for our nation’s survival, much more than a personal “hang up” or a “rabbit trail.”


104 posted on 09/18/2015 12:29:46 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Social and constitutional conservative)
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To: RitaOK

And what can Trump actually *ACCOMPLISH* on the campaign trail but tickle your ears? Is he building the Great Wall of Trump? Is he deporting 11 million illegal immigrants?


105 posted on 09/18/2015 12:38:25 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Social and constitutional conservative)
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To: Charles Henrickson

Trump is campaigning on his intentions, sport. He is NOT invested in tickling your ears about what he can not control in Kentucky. You need to stick with Huck.

I know this goes over your head, again, but candidates are rolling out what they want to do. The Great Wall of Trump is an intention. Addressing illegals is an intention and deadly serious.

Trump blowing off about local Kentucky legal arguments, as if he were a Baptist preacher and could do a damn thing about it, is not.


106 posted on 09/18/2015 12:59:21 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: Elsie

The phrase “I know it when I see it” is a colloquial expression by which a speaker attempts to categorize an observable fact or event, although the category is subjective or lacks clearly defined parameters. The phrase was famously used in 1964 by United States Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart to describe his threshold test for obscenity in Jacobellis v. Ohio.

Similarly, you will recognize religious extremism when you see it.


107 posted on 09/18/2015 1:09:15 PM PDT by entropy12 (When you vote for a candidate, you are actually voting for his rich donors!)
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To: Charles Henrickson

We heard you blabbing about Kentucky and you related Trump’s remark to Kentucky, when he said that it was ruled by the Supreme Court as the “law of the land”.

Trump is all over the overreaching, intrusive, oppressive federal government, usurping powers. He is knocking on those doors one at a time; illegals, The Wall, anchor babies, border laws, guns, regulation, trade.

You are knocking on only one door, attempting to pick the nit out of the whole hay barn. Good luck.


108 posted on 09/18/2015 1:10:59 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
LOL

NOT voting didn't work out for them so well.

109 posted on 09/18/2015 1:12:32 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: RitaOK
You need to stick with Huck.

I am for Cruz.

I know this goes over your head, again, but candidates are rolling out what they want to do. The Great Wall of Trump is an intention. Addressing illegals is an intention and deadly serious. Trump blowing off about local Kentucky legal arguments, as if he were a Baptist preacher and could do a damn thing about it, is not.

You seem to be missing the point. ALL the candidates are talking about their intentions at this point, whether that's what they would do about illegal immigration or what they would do about Supreme Court justices. That's true for Trump, that's true for Cruz, etc. So for you to say that with Trump it's a "serious intention" but with another candidate it's just "tickling your ears"--well, you can't have it both ways.

Furthermore, the United States Supreme Court's unconstitutional Obergefell v. Hodges decision is not just a "local Kentucky legal argument." Rather, it violates the First and Tenth Amendments, it is judicial tyranny, it violates states' rights, it violates religious liberty, it impacts people across the country, and it has gotten an elected official unjustly thrown in jail. That is no small matter. And the next President will be able to do something about this.

110 posted on 09/18/2015 1:16:13 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (I stand with Kim Davis! I will not comply!)
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To: RitaOK
Trump is campaigning on his intentions, sport

Trump’s intention is to win the Republican nomination for president by appealing to an important issue about which most Republicans feel strongly. Only Trump knows what he really believes.
111 posted on 09/18/2015 3:30:48 PM PDT by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: madison10

Thank you!

That’s a good list.


112 posted on 09/19/2015 4:10:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: A CA Guy
Not a requirement for President IMO.

True; but will it KEEP someone from being president?

113 posted on 09/19/2015 4:11:41 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: entropy12
Similarly, you will recognize religious extremism when you see it.

I know a very broad brush when I see it.

I recognize an attempt to put down 'religion' when an undefined; undimensioned adjective like EXTREME is placed with it.


I'd MUCH rather have a religious 'extremist' that actually LIVED what he believed than a mealy-mouthed carpetbagger that gives LIPSERVICE (in it's many possible definitions) to the words of Jesus that SO many of us hold dear and try to live by.

Just like No more RINOS!!! I want no more CHinos, as well.

114 posted on 09/19/2015 4:19:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Graybeard58; mrsmel

Carter was a replacementarian, not an evangelical.


115 posted on 09/19/2015 4:24:09 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: Berlin_Freeper

People vote for candidates for their own reasons.
The NYT has no values so why would they care who Christians vote for?

Truth is, I am tired of people being grouped in groups and then expected to vote as a block.

Christians are also Americans. Their vote is their own.

They have their own reason.


116 posted on 09/19/2015 4:24:54 AM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest

The Slimes never shows such concern for the leftist Catholics who don’t live up to Catholic doctrine in voting for Nancy Pelosi. Because they have no standards, claim no standards (or at least none that aren’t “relative”), but they will try to hang everyone who does claim standards, if they don’t live up to every jot and tittle every second of their lives.

They also go the other way in covering for for what Islam and its Koran call for, in saying that jihadists are “extremists”, when they actually ARE living up to the standards of Islam.

The left has it in for Biblical Christianity, and no form of Christianity, nor any other religion. Interesting to me, that that is so.


117 posted on 09/19/2015 4:41:47 AM PDT by mrsmel (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Elsie

He said what his faith was, so there you have it.


118 posted on 09/19/2015 7:33:27 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Elsie

What we REALLY need urgently is....AMERICA FIRST President.
All the rich donors have corrupted our politicians. Foreign countries are taking our jobs away, because the rich donors are moving manufacturing to foreign countries.

Ask Greeks what they need urgently. It is not religion. It is food, shelter and jobs. Greeks are literally committing suicides in record numbers because of economic conditions caused by un-affordable government debts.


119 posted on 09/19/2015 10:11:46 AM PDT by entropy12 (When you vote for a candidate, you are actually voting for his rich donors!)
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To: entropy12
Greeks are literally committing suicides in record numbers because of economic conditions caused by un-affordable government debts.

And when the great unwashed mass of Americans find out that their 'government' has placed MUCH more debt upon them than the Greeks; what will happen?

120 posted on 09/19/2015 7:47:13 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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