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Have Evangelicals Who Support Trump Lost Their Values?
nytimes.com ^ | SEPT. 17, 2015 | RUSSELL MOORE

Posted on 09/18/2015 8:50:20 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

IN 2006, the television comedy “The Office” aired an episode in which one of the characters, Dwight Schrute, nervously faces the prospect of delivering a speech after winning the title of top salesman of the year for his company, Dunder Mifflin. As a prank, his co-worker preps him for his moment by cribbing a speech from a dictator, coaching him to deliver it by pounding the lectern and waving his arms wildly. Dwight does it, and the audience gives a standing ovation to a manic tirade.

Watching a cartoonish TV character deliver authoritarian lines with no principles, just audacity, was hilarious back then, but that was before we saw it happening before our eyes in the race for the United States presidency.

Donald J. Trump stands astride the polls in the Republican presidential race, beating all comers in virtually every demographic of the primary electorate. Most illogical is his support from evangelicals and other social conservatives. To back Mr. Trump, these voters must repudiate everything they believe.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: New York
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To: Buckeye McFrog

You know that. I know that. Tell that to your average “journalist” and we’ll all know it.

CC


61 posted on 09/18/2015 9:46:09 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (Sufficient unto the day are the troubles therof)
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To: Charles Henrickson

I love Trump on the Constitution. Birthright citizenship has been raised seriously by NO ONE, but Trump. No one has cared. There goes your social conservative argument out the window. The fundamental transformation of America has been socially retooled by Obama, filling our land with socialists and Marxists, who will perpetually vote Marxist and socialist. Wake up.

I can vote for Trump who is a more secular candidate this time, because he is not anti-Christian, he is Christian. He has some time ago turned the corner on abortion, and as a human being he deplores the atrocities occurring at Planned Parenthood.

Trump is a force. If it comes to choosing between a force and a more perfect candidate, I believe the times call for a force, myself.


62 posted on 09/18/2015 9:53:52 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: A CA Guy

63 posted on 09/18/2015 9:54:32 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: bimboeruption

“God can change the hardest heart. I believe Trump would listen to someone who is sincere in their faith.”

I read that David Limbaugh was converted through listening to, or perhaps speaking with, Dr. Ravi Zacharias. R.Z. would be good as someone who is sincere in faith.

But we don’t even know that Trump has a “hard heart”, do we? Only God knows a person’s heart.


64 posted on 09/18/2015 9:57:19 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Beware the tyranny of the easily offended. (Stossel))
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To: RitaOK
Trump is a force.

Trump is a farce. He is no conservative. For example, he trots out the same tired liberal line of "Well, it's the law of the land," with regard to homosexual "marriage." He thinks his sister, a pro-abortion federal judge, would make a "phenomenal" Supreme Court justice. No thank you. I don't want this guy nominating Supreme Court justices. He does not understand the First Amendment or the Tenth Amendment, for starters.

65 posted on 09/18/2015 10:00:18 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Social and constitutional conservative)
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To: bimboeruption

If Trump selects a religious extremist as his running mate, that would cancel my support immediately.

Trump/Cruz
Trump/Carson
Trump/Walker

are all great.


66 posted on 09/18/2015 10:06:42 AM PDT by entropy12 (When you vote for a candidate, you are actually voting for his rich donors!)
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To: roses of sharon

25% of Evangelicals have seen the light, are tired of false promises & betrayals, and have decided to go America first.


67 posted on 09/18/2015 10:08:45 AM PDT by entropy12 (When you vote for a candidate, you are actually voting for his rich donors!)
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To: goodn'mad
If you are putting back-stabbing RINO politicians in the camp with most believers

I was. At campaign time they all claim to be believers. But just as you say, by their fruit we get to know them. Phonies the biggest part of them.

So believers out here in fly-over country are getting tired of being sold down the river by the supposed believers in office who believe in nothing.

I'm not wild about Trump, my preference is Cruz. But I do believe Trump will defend our sovereignty. I'm not sure he'll do much more than that, but he will do at least that.

68 posted on 09/18/2015 10:10:16 AM PDT by marron
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To: Resettozero

Wrong presumption. “They” referred to evangelicals who support Trump. I not a Trump supporter,but I am an evangelical.

Not that evangelicals supported Obama, but there was group think on the part of voters, many believed everything Obama said and ignored years and even Obama’s own words, to the contrary. They saw and heard what they wished to see and hear. NOW there is a group on the Republican side doing the same with Trump.


69 posted on 09/18/2015 10:13:50 AM PDT by madison10 (If freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter)
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To: RginTN
Trump’s stance on kim davis should concern Christians but then so should what other politicians as well

Exactly. After boasting that he would be the "greatest defender of the Christians" he promptly threw Davis under the bus. Those who care only about the almighty dollar are swooning over the fabulously rich guy - but when was the last time he spoke out about the dangers to religious freedom and liberty? Christians beware!

70 posted on 09/18/2015 10:15:41 AM PDT by tjd1454
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To: madison10
“They” referred to evangelicals who support Trump. I not a Trump supporter, but I am an evangelical.

Beg pardon; I see that now. Still disagree with some aspects of your premise(s).
71 posted on 09/18/2015 10:16:32 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: tjd1454

Agree, especially the “Christians beware” part. Just because the article was in the New York Times does not mean the question is not worth asking.


72 posted on 09/18/2015 10:19:24 AM PDT by madison10 (If freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter)
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To: Resettozero

That’s okay, we connot agree on everything.


73 posted on 09/18/2015 10:20:47 AM PDT by madison10 (If freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I’m not looking to elect a pastor. But I’m also not looking to elect a liberal.


74 posted on 09/18/2015 10:21:13 AM PDT by gdani (No sacred cows)
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To: madison10

Connot=cannot


75 posted on 09/18/2015 10:21:49 AM PDT by madison10 (If freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter)
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To: Charles Henrickson

The reason Trump is not a “farce”, but a FORCE, is because it is only he who is able to set the agenda and the pace of the primary. He is best of all the candidates against the fundamental transformation of the block you live on, or will soon live on, the composition of America.

I read you loud and clear on that. You obviously don’t give a large damn about that, if you prefer to elevate some sidebar remark a man makes favoring his sister.

And, what is not correct about Trump’s gay marriage statement “it’s the law of the land”?

You do realize that’s a fact, not a myth, and that will the fact will remain true until which time you get a Republican elected and new justices vetted to overturn the law?

And no one cares about his sister. Trump is more than safe throwing his sister a compliment, because there are laws against nepotism, and she would never be confirmed.

Next?


76 posted on 09/18/2015 10:22:16 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: tjd1454
when was the last time he spoke out about the dangers to religious freedom and liberty?

He hasn't. He doesn't get it. Trump doesn't grasp the First and Tenth Amendment issues involved. "Well, it's the law of the land." No thank you. This is not a man I want nominating Supreme Court justices.

77 posted on 09/18/2015 10:22:54 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Social and constitutional conservative)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

NY Times experts on Evangelicals /s


78 posted on 09/18/2015 10:27:18 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldnÂ’t make any sense at all." -- Pres. Reagan)
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To: RitaOK
And, what is not correct about Trump’s gay marriage statement “it’s the law of the land”?

Because it's NOT the law of the land. What law? There is no such law that has been passed, either on the federal level or in the Commonwealth of Kentucky. In fact, the laws of Kentucky PROHIBIT marriage between members of the same sex. For Trump and other liberals simply and dismissively to say "It's the law of the land" shows that they condone judicial tyranny and legislating from the bench. That is most decidedly NOT conservative!

79 posted on 09/18/2015 10:28:19 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Social and constitutional conservative)
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To: cherry

“the trump love fest here on a traditional patriotic Christian conservative site is insane...”

Too bad for you that no one died and made you commissar.


80 posted on 09/18/2015 10:29:25 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (The mill grinds exceedingly fine.)
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