Posted on 05/09/2015 11:42:37 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
If the government does not like the way that you are raising your kids, they will come in and grab them at any time without giving any warning whatsoever. Of course this is completely and totally unlawful, but it has been happening all over America. The most recent example of this that has made national headlines is particularly egregious. Joe and Nicole Naugler of Breckinridge County, Kentucky just had their 10 children brutally ripped away from them just because the government does not approve of how they are living their lives and how they are educating their young ones. Let’s be very clear about this – Joe and Nicole had done nothing to violate the law whatsoever. All of their kids were happy, healthy and very intelligent. But because the control freaks running things in Kentucky got wind of their “off the grid lifestyle”, they have now had all of their children unlawfully abducted from them.
A lot of my readers also lead “off the grid” lifestyles similar to what the Nauglers had been enjoying. The Nauglers own 26 acres in a remote area of Breckinridge County, and their family has been described as “extremely happy”. But despite never giving them a single warning or a single indication that anything was ever wrong, Kentucky police raided their home on May 6th. The following is how the raid was described on a website dedicated to this case…
On May 6th, 2015, Breckinridge Co. Sheriff’s officers came to their home, acting on an anonymous tip, and entered their property and home without a warrant and without probable cause. Nicole was at home with the two oldest children, while Joe was away with the others. When the officers left the home, they attempted to block the access road to the family property. Nicole and the two boys got in their car to leave the family property. The got only a short way down the road before the officers pulled Nicole over.
During this stop, sheriffs deputies took their two oldest boys from Nicole’s custody, providing her no justification or documentation to support their action. Nicole was able to contact Joe briefly by telephone, but only for a short period of time, because she needed to use her phone to record the events.
At that point, Nicole had been taken into custody for disorderly conduct (for not passively allowing the Sheriff to take her boys) and resisting arrest. Even though she is 5 months pregnant, she was slammed belly first into the cop car and bruised and scraped on both arms.
And people wonder why there is such an uproar about police brutality in this country…
How in the world can a police officer ever justify treating a pregnant woman like that? The police officer that treated Nicole like that should immediately resign. Talk about an utter disgrace. You do not ever treat a pregnant woman like that.
But this is America, where we are turning a little bit more into Nazi Germany every single day.
You can listen to audio of Nicole’s shocking arrest right here.
When Joe arrived on the scene, the police continued to act like Gestapo thugs…
Joe was able to arrange transportation to meet his wife where the stop had taken place. Joe attempted to get out of the car to speak with the officers and his wife, and to recover the vehicle Nicole had been driving. The Sheriff, with his hand on his sidearm, ordered Joe back into the car. Joe complied with that request. The sheriff informed Joe that he had every intention of making this as difficult as possible for them and that their car would be impounded, despite the fact that Joe was there onsite to recover it.
A friend, who had driven Joe to the location, got out of the car to speak with the Sheriff. She was able to convince the Sheriff to let Joe recover the vehicle. Joe also recovered Nicole’s cell phone, which had been recording audio the entire time.
The Sheriff ordered Joe to turn the remaining eight children over to Breckinridge County Sheriff’s deputies by 10:00 a.m., and threatened him with felony charges if he does not comply.
Joe did comply with the Sheriff’s order, and now their kids have been scattered by CPS among families in four separate counties…
As of now, officials have placed the children with four families in four different counties, and as of Friday morning, the parents had not spoken with them. The four families are families that CPS chose – families the Nauglers don’t know.
Shame on you Kentucky. You are supposed to be better than this.
One of the most disturbing elements of this entire incident is that Child Protective Services never visited the Nauglers a single time and never gave them any indication that anything was wrong. The following comes from Off The Grid News…
Child Protective Services never visited the home, said Ellsworth, who believes the arrests took place because of the parents’ choice of “unschooling” for their children, and because of their simple way of life that some would call backwards. The family’s Facebook page calls it a “back to basics life.” They have a garden and raise animals. Deputies apparently were concerned about whether the children’s needs were being met, but friends say they personally have no concerns — and that the children are blessed to have Joe and Nicole as their parents.
How would you like it if government thugs raided your home and took your children away because they considered your lifestyle to be “backwards”?
What in the world is happening to this country?
Like I said earlier, what happened to the Nauglers is not an isolated incident. These kinds of things are happening all over the nation. For example, just consider the abuse that one homeschooling family received in New Jersey…
Meanwhile, in New Jersey, a WND report highlights how parents were interrogated by a CPS caseworker who questioned Christopher Zimmer and his wife Nicole, “on everything from their son’s homeschool education to questions about vaccines and guns in the house.”
Michelle Marchese aggressively demanded to enter the property after asserting Christopher Zimmer Jr. was not getting a “proper education.” Police subsequently arrived and allowed Marchese to enter the home before conducting a warrantless search.
The Zimmers are now suing the CPS for $60 million in a case before the U.S. District Court in Trenton.
I very much hope that the Zimmers win that case and collect a huge monetary award.
All over the nation, CPS officials are running around acting like little dictators and trampling the law. They need the courts to send them a clear message that this is a nation where the rule of law still applies.
If we do not stand with families like the Nauglers, control freak bureaucrats will continue to harass families that have chosen to live a “basic” lifestyle all over the nation. So let’s stand with them and make this case viral all over the Internet.
And Kentucky, get your act together and send those kids back home. You are supposed to be so much better than this.
Was chatting with gramps and stuff he did would have put him in jail or on some sexual predator list (his gf included) - he gets a bit misty eyed when he talks about growing up vs what’s going on today ...
I agree that we don’t have enough information to make a decision at this point. The article above is a presentation of one side, not an attempt to be evenhanded.
I don’t think they teach social behavior much in schools ... you try something and you’re suspended or dragged off by cops out of school.
Well said. Thank you.
Oh, yeah?
Whose kids are they? Mine, or the state's? I'm responsible for my daughter's schooling. I sacrifice time, money, opportunity and effort to educate her at home. I am not going to subject her to the state's approval. Sure as hell not going to "present" her for inspection. That's the entire reason I homeschool in the first place.
Despite the fact that over twenty states have either no requirements for homeschoolers to meet, or merely a requirement that they notify the local district of their choice, homeschoolers average in the 85th percentile on standardized tests.
Don't tread on me.
You are welcome-I don’t think some of the people here know how different life in the country is in areas where there are off-grid, gone Galt people living-whether they are old hippies, preppers or those who embrace a primitive lifestyle for various other reasons. You leave people alone and they will leave you alone unless someone needs help with something.
Nearly everyone owns their own ranching, farming, cottage industry business, etc for income-especially from the tourists if you are near a highway-taking kids to work with you and teaching them to do inventory, make change and interact with customers is part of homeschooling, too...
No one thinks anything of guns being displayed in photos or in every day life, and the locked gates with no trespassing signs mean just that-if you are not invited or do not have a warrant accusing someone of a crime, stay the hell out of other people’s business and off their property.
The Amish live a pretty primitive lifestyle, they live off grid, have and use guns-and there have been many cases of child, spouse and animal abuse in those communities-and they don’t even pretend to educate their kids beyond about the 8th grade, but I don’t see CPS and jackbooted thugs running out and abducting their kids even if someone is an Amish drug dealer...
I understand your skepticism. Given the info available there is room to wonder what’s really going on. I don’t know what laws they have broken though.
Amen to that-homeschooling was not widely practiced then, but my husband worked an extra job 4 nights a week so we had the money to send the cub to Catholic school-we were not going to have her indoctrinated by public school teachers with beliefs contrary to the ones we wanted her to learn, or held back from progressing in a one-size-fits-all class with 25 or more kids...
And when people “present” their kids for inspection and testing, we have become the new USSR...
Well it’s pretty sure she wouldn’t let the CPS do their thing..and i’ts been downhill since then. As I said before...once Child Services are brought in you do well to just let them speak to your kids and do their job when there’s been a complaint...even if it’s not founded...
I don’t like that CPS has the power they do , as with all powers given they are often abused, but it’s what we got. If they don’t investigate accordingly then they will be held responsible for anything that happens to those kids....not that it will but why not just let them talk to the kids.
And why do they keep moving from state to state? I haven’t done much more to see further on this then what’s written here...but I might.
One of the most disturbing elements of this entire incident is that Child Protective Services never visited the Nauglers a single time and never gave them any indication that anything was wrong. The following comes from Off The Grid News…Child Protective Services never visited the home, said Ellsworth, who believes the arrests took place because of the parents’ choice of “unschooling” for their children, and because of their simple way of life that some would call backwards.
...”I’ve read every article linked to in this thread and not one mentioned the involvement of CPS until after the Sheriff took the children away”....
That’s because she denied their visit. Remember in the oral tapes she mentions them being their before...and that’s because she had refused their visit.
No, I don’t remember the oral source because I didn’t listen to the audio. My bad. I did read all the text available.
I did ask you for a source before and you replied that you weren’t going to go to the trouble of finding it for me. You could have simply said it was in the audio and let me search back through the three or four articles linked on this thread.
2.5 million years is a reasonable guess. Some put it at ten.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_evolution
A million years is only 50,000 human generations.
When a report makes it to the desk of an investigator, they are legally obligated to respond to that case. This is not a policy, this is the law....A response can range from seeing the entire family to seeing just the child, or speaking with any person on the case. It does not matter how ridiculous or false a claim may be. When an investigator receives the referral, they must investigate.
When it comes to removing children...that does need a judges court order , (which the officer told her was already underway as they spoke), either prior to the removal or within 24 hours ‘after’ the removal.
The question is we don’t know what happened before the Sheriff went there...and that’s the problem I have...there’s more we are not aware of...much more IMO.
Look at the living conditions in government housing.
When they were brand new they were great until gangs and dopers moved into the area ....my great grandad grew up in a project in NYC - multicultural and he says it was fun. He played with kids who were called DP’s at the time (Displaced Persons) from European countries after WW2 - he said he would be yelling while playing with those kids in several languages he learned from them ... and with no adult supervision. Okay, there would be a mom or two watching from a window but none of what goes on today ...
You can believe 200,000 years, 10,000,000 years, a quadrillion years. It doesn't really matter. I'll stick to my Bible, approximately 7,000 years, TYVM!
As I noted previously, there is no agreement on the exact length of time. You’re just a control freak who thinks that he knows everything.
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