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Dogs are NOT descended from modern wolves but split from common ancestor 34,000 years ago
Daily Mail ^ | 16 January 2014 | SARAH GRIFFITHS

Posted on 01/16/2014 9:01:52 PM PST by Fractal Trader

Dogs and wolves evolved from a common ancestor between 11,000 and 34,000 years ago, according to new research.

U.S. scientists said that part of the genetic overlap observed between some modern dogs and wolves is the result of interbreeding after dog domestication and not a direct line of descent from one group of wolves. They believe their research reflects a more complicated history than the popular story that early farmers adopted a few docile, friendly wolves that later became our modern canine companions.

Dogs and wolves evolved from a common ancestor between 11,000 and 34,000 years ago but modern canines are more closely related to each other than to wolves, according to new research

Dogs and wolves evolved from a common ancestor between 11,000 and 34,000 years ago but modern canines are more closely related to each other than to wolves, according to new research Instead, the earliest dogs may have first lived among hunter-gatherer societies and adapted to agricultural life later, according to the study which is published in the journal PLoS Genetics.

Researchers from the University of Chicago said that dogs are more closely related to each other than to wolves, regardless of geographic origin as they do not descend from a single line of wolves.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afteritskind; agriculture; animalhusbandry; dietandcuisine; dog; dogs; domestication; evolution; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; huntergatherers; wolves
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To: Salamander

Amazing LOOK at the Hips and legs on the early 1900 GSD and the ones in later years. Totally different!


41 posted on 01/17/2014 4:27:34 AM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty and Let the the Stupid AmericanTaxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: Fractal Trader
Yooz Iz Wrong.


Doggiez Iz Descended Frum KITTEHZ!
42 posted on 01/17/2014 4:34:04 AM PST by left that other site
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To: alexander_busek

Words have meanings and grammar enables words to convey the author’s intended meaning. This seems lost on our thumb typing text-o-matic generation. Thank you for the discussion.


43 posted on 01/17/2014 4:49:43 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: left that other site

That made me LOL.


44 posted on 01/17/2014 4:49:43 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Fractal Trader
Read the research here:Genome Sequencing Highlights the Dynamic Early History of Dogs
45 posted on 01/17/2014 4:53:51 AM PST by Varda
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To: ilovesarah2012

hee hee... a little cheer for this icy cold morning, to warm you up! :-)


46 posted on 01/17/2014 5:04:00 AM PST by left that other site
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To: JoeProBono

This thread has gone to the dogs.


47 posted on 01/17/2014 5:13:16 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Fractal Trader

Sooooooooo:

If you lay down with dogs, you wake up with flees.

And, if you lay down with wolves, you wake up...

Without your vital organs...
With the cousins of flees...
With a strong desire to eat your dog, cat and hamster.


48 posted on 01/17/2014 6:22:43 AM PST by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: chicagolady

I know.

Vanity and fashion are the ruin of many a great breed.


49 posted on 01/17/2014 6:46:00 AM PST by Salamander (Sleeping don't come very easy in a strait white vest.)
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To: Fractal Trader

Don’t tell this to my wolf dog. He’ll talk your ear off telling you different, especially if he thinks it means he has to be a pet and not the master.


50 posted on 01/17/2014 6:46:00 AM PST by pallis
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To: alexander_busek
"1) The term "canine" can refer to members of the family Canidae (domestic dogs, wolves, foxes, jackals, coyotes, and other dog-like mammals); or, more narrowly, to members of the sub-family Caninae; or, more narrowly, to members of the genus Canis (which includes dogs, wolves, coyotes, and jackals); or only to domestic dogs. So, what are the "modern canines" referred to here? I suspect they mean "domestic dogs.""

The Canary Islands are named for Canines, not canaries.

51 posted on 01/17/2014 6:48:36 AM PST by blam
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To: Fractal Trader

I’m relieved to learn that. I like dogs; I don’t like wolves.


52 posted on 01/17/2014 7:05:22 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Fungi
I always have an issue with the date. Was it exactly 34,000 years, not a year before or after?

This may help you answer those questions.

And how was the date arrived at?

It's not clear from the article (perhaps an investigation with the original journal article is in order) but one might assume it's from the same genetic study that showed the linkages or perhaps from anthropological knowledge of the relationships of the breeds of dogs used in the study to man in the local regions. Or perhaps a combination of both disciplines. It's a good question though; the answer to that should have been reported, IMO.

And lastly but not exclusively, has anyone done the math on canine reproductive rates? We would be overun with canines by now, as well as everything else on earth.

That same objection has been raised with any animal species that has a moderately fast reproductive rate, but it discounts the fact that all species don't live in a static bubble (or flask of media, like bacteria in a lab).

There are numerous factors that limit the reproductive spread of higher organisms such as: (in no particular order) predation, disease, natural disaster, limited resources and simple old age. For a species to propagate and dominate the environment via logarithmic growth as you seem to propose, and eventually take over the planet, none of the preceding factors could be present. (Especially limited resources)

53 posted on 01/17/2014 7:28:54 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Revolting cat!

“... which means these dogs must have come from another planet. ALIENS!”

You are correct. They came after the cats had arrived ... just a small incident in their eternal war.


54 posted on 01/17/2014 8:55:23 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: goldstategop

Total nonsense!

They are shepherd dogs merely refined from a bunch of nebulous shepherd mutts.

Please let’s stop this myth that GS are wolves. My God, Mals and Siberians look more like wolves but hardly ever anyone accuses them of being wolf hybrids.


55 posted on 01/17/2014 11:23:39 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

There is zero truth to any of that wolf breeding program garbage. Please stop spreading falsehoods!


56 posted on 01/17/2014 11:28:00 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Baladas

Wolf/coyote hybrids are becoming a problem with the reintroduction of wolves.


57 posted on 01/17/2014 1:00:44 PM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

WTF are you on my case for? I asked a question and commented on a reply to it. I didn’t spread squat.

I dunno one way or the other but your assertion is as lacking in facts as any here.


58 posted on 01/17/2014 3:42:45 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: the OlLine Rebel

There’s actually a Wiki article that claims that which explains why it’s not reliable “history”.

This is short but concise.

http://www.nsgsdc.com/breedhistory.shtml


59 posted on 01/17/2014 4:12:00 PM PST by Salamander (Sleeping don't come very easy in a strait white vest.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

NORM!!!!

;)


60 posted on 01/17/2014 4:13:33 PM PST by Salamander (Sleeping don't come very easy in a strait white vest.)
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