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April 10, 2012 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

To hell with the GOP-e. Barring a miracle, they got their big government, unconstitutional mandate loving, socialist abortionist Obama-lite RINO on the ballot, they can now get him elected.

We are the resistance!!

Shove him down our throats today, we shove him up your donkeys in November!!

I can see November from my house!!

[wtc911]

You want more abortions, and federal financing? Give Obama the chance to nominate another Justice or two.

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Yep, four more BHO years will give us Chief Justice Sotomayor and forty years of a communist court guided by lesbian politics.

Anybody willing to enable this is short-sighted, a fool or worse.

[rodguy911]

Since when is winning a presidential election such a big secret?

There is already a tried and true method of winning that almost everyone uses who wins.

You need a lot of recognition or someone like Ted Kennedy patheing the way for you or white guilt to run on.

Also you need lots of money,a huge well run organization and contacts all over the place within the party and key states you wish to run in.Do all that and even if you are a mediocre candidate,a rino or even communist your chances are good of winning.

So now for 2016 we need to ask our selves who can we help prepare using the tried and true methods of winning elections who can break the RINO hold the RNC has on representing the Republican Party.

We have made huge inroads. Now is not the time to give up and sit out an election because our guy did not win.

[pops88]

“I understand your reasoning. However, on another thread someone posted pictures of aborted babies, and they were gruesome (of course). I was looking at them and thinking that Mitt Romney made that kind of murder possible. For only $50, women in MA today are killing infants, and the blame lies with Romney.”

Same here. I was thinking the pictures were on the wrong thread. They need to be here for the pro Romney people to be confronted with and what they’ll have to answer to God for. As for the argument that it was the supreme court that allowed this, with the rampant abuse of executive orders, what’s to stop Romney from using that with regards to abortion or homosexual marriage? Even if he does nothing, he by his actions has legitimatized both, and will even more so as POTUS.

[Eagle of Liberty]

I understand your reasoning. However, on another thread someone posted pictures of aborted babies, and they were gruesome (of course). I was looking at them and thinking that Mitt Romney made that kind of murder possible. For only $50, women in MA today are killing infants, and the blame lies with Romney. I just would ask Christians who are considering voting for this man to keep that in mind and pray about it. I believe putting a mark beside his name to elect him to lead this country is a grave sin.

I understand your post, but the legality of abortions is not going to change any time soon and will definitely not change for another 20-30 years if Obama gets another one or two Justices, but thankfully, through a better message by pro-life groups, abortions are going down in nearly every state. You cannot legislate morality, but you CAN teach it. Abortions occurred before Roe v Wade and will occur even if legislation in every state makes it illegal. So, my fear is not just the death of the unborn but the death of our country. IMO, re-electing Obama is a grave sin.

[Bruce Campbells Chin]

Same here. I was thinking the pictures were on the wrong thread. They need to be here for the pro Romney people to be confronted with and what they’ll have to answer to God for.

This makes no sense to me. There is no question that Obama is as pro-choice as it gets, including partial birth abortion. There is no reasoned argument that the reelection of Obama will lessen the number of abortions compared to the election of Romney, and pretty decent reasons to assume the opposite.

As for the argument that it was the supreme court that allowed this, with the rampant abuse of executive orders, what’s to stop Romney from using that with regards to abortion or homosexual marriage?

That makes no legal sense at all. Executive orders cannot bar a state from outlawing abortion, not do they last beyond the term of the President in question. Supreme Court decisions, however, survive until overruled. How's that working out with Roe v. Wade?

[so_real]

Those that compare Obama to Romney and think they are equal are worse than fools, they don’t deserve to even vote they are so ignorant.

Oh, that is just being silly. We "noble conservatives" understand that Romney may be as liberal as Hillary Clinton, but he's not quite the marxist socialist that Obama is.

The point is ... we recognize when the rope-a-dope is being pulled on us. And some suckers (perhaps like you) are being fooled into supporting a candidate comparable to Hillary Clinton as the new measure and standard of all things "conservative".

In 2008 would you have preferred Hillary Clinton over John McCain? No? I wouldn't either. Doing so would have pushed the "center" far to the "left". I wouldn't give her four to eight years to redefine the conservative point of view on all issues. Jumping on the Romney bandwagon is akin to asking Hillary to run as the republican candidate --- although she is likely closer to "center", more business friendly, and probably more competent than Romney.

Don't let the liberals trick you into merging the democrat and republican parties into one big progressive tent. Romney represents "conservatism" like Benedict Arnold represent "patriotism". Sure, they run in the same circles, know the same people, and all "love America" ... but they are very different at their core indeed. Prefer the enemy standing before you in the open; fear the enemy hidden at your back.

[CatherineofAragon]

No, I don’t want more abortions and federal financing, which is one of the reasons I can’t in good conscience vote for Romney any more than I could vote for Obama. Romney IS the father of Romneycare, which instituted $50 abortions. He held Planned Parenthood fundraisers, donated to them, appointed pro-abortion judges in MA (the majority of the judges he appointed were leftists), and said that his mother had brought him up to be “pro-choice.”

I can’t be a part of that.

[sam_paine]

Read the title of the thread.

“FR is and will remain a pro-life, small government conservative site.”

1.6 million abortions PER YEAR under Reagan.

Government spending continued increasing under Reagan.

We all know Reagan was better than Carter, and we all know Reagan is far better then Romney.

But Reagan supported Ford and HW Bush RINOs when confronted with the alternative Dem. And he did nothing to reduce abortions or the size of government!!!!!

It’s ridiculous to think he wouldn’t campaign actively for Romney against Obama if he were around still.

[Yaelle]

So, here’s the lesson - if you settle for a liberal to represent the conservative party, you guarantee multiple decades of liberal governance at almost every level. This isn’t conjecture - it’s a fact. The liberals will blame ALL conservatives because they nominated a liberal, and are now unhappy with the results of their ‘conservative’ representative.

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I disagree with this. Not that this is not true precedent. That, indeed, is a fact. Precedent can be learned from history.

But it is time to CREATE a precedent and create a new powerful party, in 2013!!!

We can stop the cycle you describe. We can choose the lesser of the evils today, and WORK, WITH MONEY AND GRASSROOTS, to create an actual TEA PARTY.

And we must.

BUT BECAUSE THINGS AREN’T PERFECT
And
BECAUSE IT HAS HAPPENED A CERTAIN WAY IN HISTORY
Doesn’t mean we are locked into this.

It should now be crystal clear that the Republican party is no friend to Conservatives and they will always take us for granted.

Let them win this battle. they have to, because obama’s communism must be stopped. If you aren’t helping Romney at this point, you are an Obama supporter.

BUT WE WILL WIN THE WAR. No hurry. We need time anyway to educate people. 2013 we begin creating a strong conservative party. It’s time.

[CatherineofAragon]

We should keep in mind he signed an executive order to force Catholic hospitals in MA to make the abortion pill available.

[Kazan]

And that has been working just peachy so far, huh!

Since Republicans took over the House, Obama has gotten very little accomplished.

What don't comprehend, apparently, is that Romney will be able to work with RINOs to push through legislation Obama could only dream of getting passed.

[CatherineofAragon]

I won’t be re-electing Obama. I don’t plan to vote for him, or Romney, or any other liberal. With all due respect, your post seems to be an attempt to rationalize voting for pro-abortion Romney. I can’t do that.

[Eagle of Liberty]

All these things you tremble that Obama might do in a second term are only possible if : 1) he isn't impeached first, and 2) Congress is filled with Mitt Romney's that will rubber stamp his evil.

Or 3) Nobody shows up to vote for Romney, turning enough Red seats in the House to Blue, giving Obama another completely-Democrat controlled Congress.

Bullsh*t. Most of us were well aware of Obama's intentions the moment he took office and understood it all too well.

You are correct there and yet you still draw an equivalent between Romney and Obama. Romney may not be anywhere close to a good conservative, but he is NOT Obama.

Would you replace Barack Obama with Hillary Clinton if she ran as our candidate, our standard bearer, a republican?

Strawman

There's a bigger picture in play than November than you realize.

Oh, I realize it. If Obama wins again, get ready for a real squashing of political speech in this country. And in your view, if Romney wins, conservatives are gone and I disagree with this. We were able to change the mind of W on more than one issue with our ability to burn up the Federal phone lines. We can do that again with Romney.

I guess my question that goes still unanswered is okay, we allow Obama to win re-election. Then what? If there is indeed a bigger picture in play, how is another four years of Obama going to help US?

[Eagle of Liberty]

With all due respect, your post seems to be an attempt to rationalize voting for pro-abortion Romney. I can’t do that.

And that's fine. I was just looking for a logical discussion on what can possibly be done on the issue of abortion by the President anyway. To me, it just seems like re-electing Obama and allowing him another Justice appointment or two does significantly more damage to the pro-life movement than Romney will ever do.

[pops88]

“This makes no sense to me. There is no question that Obama is as pro-choice as it gets, including partial birth abortion.”

I did not vote for Obama. My hands are clean. I have said before, if our country is so gone that so called conservatives and Christians will vote for pro abortion, $50 abortion, Romney, then the country deserves the judgement it gets from God under the government they elect. I’ll stay under the shadow of God’s wings, thanks. Sadly, unless we Nineveh up pretty quick, it seriously isn’t going to matter whether we get Romney or Obamoa. We’ll be judged.

[Bruce Campbells Chin]

Well, Santorum endorsed Romney as the more conservative alternative to McCain in 2008. Romney hasn't moved anywhere except to the right since then.

We're now seeing the shunning of anyone who has decided to endorse Romney (or the more generic "whomever the GOP nominates) at this point as not being "real" conservatives either. So Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, Newt Gingrich (who has said he'll support Romney as the nominee), and even Sarah Palin are all out too. Fools and/or traitors all!

So, uh, who is left at this point?

Nobody is under any illusions here that Romney is a conservative dream candidate. He's not. But on most issues, he's clearly to the right of Obama, even if he's not as far right as we'd like. And I can't think of any issue on which he is to Obama's left. He still at least gives us the rhetoric of capitalism, opposes Obama's plan to massively hike taxes, wants to reduce regulation, supports the Keystone pipeline, opposes ObamaCare as a federal program, etc. He's not perfect, but he's significantly better than Obama. According to Palin, "infinitely better".

RomneyCare is a terrible, and if Romney was running for governor in my state, I'd fight as hard as I could. But he's not. And as long as he opposes ObamaCare, even on the grounds of federalism, that still makes him much, much better than Obama on that.

It's not that he's conservative. He is, as Gingrich as accurately labelled him, a "Massachusetts Moderate". But that is still significantly better than being a Chicago Socialist.

[Sola Veritas]

Well said sir. It has been awhile since I donated. I just kicked in some. I wished I could afford more.

Sir, is there anything you can do about those here that constantly berat those of us that have taken a NO ROMNEY ever position? Can you make that a zotable offense please?

This needs to the the home of the revolution against the forces that suppress conservatism. Obama is a easily recognized evil and enemy. It is the Romneys that are insidious, but just as bad.

The Jim Jone’s Koolaid drinkers that will vote for Romney anyway need to shut up here.

[Sola Veritas]

“He is, as Gingrich as accurately labelled him, a “Massachusetts Moderate”. But that is still significantly better than being a Chicago Socialist.”

Newt was being a generous gentleman. Romney is no better than Obama. Don’t fall for that line of thinking. He is not a “moderate.” He also has socialist leanings. The best that can be said about Romney is that he isn’t Marxist.

[SoConPubbie]

Thanks Bikkuri, I will.

[Nik Naym]

If you are blaming Reagan for abortions then the simple fact is you are a one issue idiot.

Reagan was NOT pro abortion. To imply otherwise is to slander a good man and shows what a shallow, simple minded fool you are.

A president can not simply decree that abortions must stop and then they magically stop.

If you think Reagan was in any way responsible for even one abortion then you are a raving nut job.

If you don’t like what I said, go whine to the mods or sue me.