So, here’s the lesson - if you settle for a liberal to represent the conservative party, you guarantee multiple decades of liberal governance at almost every level. This isn’t conjecture - it’s a fact. The liberals will blame ALL conservatives because they nominated a liberal, and are now unhappy with the results of their ‘conservative’ representative.
I disagree with this. Not that this is not true precedent. That, indeed, is a fact. Precedent can be learned from history.
But it is time to CREATE a precedent and create a new powerful party, in 2013!!!
We can stop the cycle you describe. We can choose the lesser of the evils today, and WORK, WITH MONEY AND GRASSROOTS, to create an actual TEA PARTY.
And we must.
BUT BECAUSE THINGS AREN’T PERFECT
And
BECAUSE IT HAS HAPPENED A CERTAIN WAY IN HISTORY
Doesn’t mean we are locked into this.
It should now be crystal clear that the Republican party is no friend to Conservatives and they will always take us for granted.
Let them win this battle. they have to, because obama’s communism must be stopped. If you aren’t helping Romney at this point, you are an Obama supporter.
BUT WE WILL WIN THE WAR. No hurry. We need time anyway to educate people. 2013 we begin creating a strong conservative party. It’s time.
“If you aren’t helping Romney at this point, you are an Obama supporter.”
I reject that on its face. Not just for all the reaons I previously provided, which you admit are true.
I admire your pluck - you want to form a new precedent.
Fine, let’s check the math. How many rock-ribbed conservatives you think it would take to completely core-out the establishment liberals now occupying positions of appointment by conservatives at this point?
By what device will we take a nation of federal checktakers into risk-taking entrepreneurs?
I don’t want to pour cold water on you like this, but we already had the 9th and 10th amendments. We passed the 14th and 17th, and then SCOTUS broke the key off in the lock with their ‘penumbras and emanations’.
While I agree that we aren’t locked into this, and everything is possible, you have to create a situation where people are compensated to change in some anti-leviathan government way.
I look at Europe, and they present the same symptoms a heroin addict does in getting off the junk. It took default to do it, and they aren’t done yet. They will be forced off the Euro, eventually, and they will have to go back to the Drachma. No one will loan them a buck.
This last statement is important.
No one will loan them a buck.
Why people are loaning us a buck to keep our economy going is a miracle of stupidity.
If people won’t loan you a dollar, and you are hungry, what do you think is going to happen next?
In Greece, they are vilifying the Germans because the Germans are insisting on managing the Euros they are currently pouring in to stave off the inevitable. Nevermind that Greeks were paying themselves 14 months salary for the same job a Germany was getting 12 months salary for last year. The Greeks had become accustomed to a certain lifestyle, and the Germans are ‘taking it away’.
Again, this boils down to math.
There aren’t enough conservatives
There are too many federally dependent people
There are too many establishment republicans pouring crap in beauracrats ears in DC too change anything this year.
Down the ticket, I agree that the Tea Party can be effective, and we should put all our energy there, because we will need a FIREWALL against the policies Romney is going to roll out.
First off, he’s not going to kill Obamacare. Ultimately, it was his idea, and politically he can’t. As soon as he gets the job, he’s going to change the tone from repeal to reform. He may even make a good show of trying to repeal it, or he may be praying hard that SCOTUS takes the knife out of his hand so he doesn’t have to reject his own idea.
Either way, if Romney is the only thing between you and socialized medicine, he isn’t going to be the guy who kills it. Like a lot of people, he’s incapable of learning from his own mistakes. He doesn’t have that gear. Everyone who’s ever worked with him will tell you that. This is another striking similarity between him and Obama - incapable of admitting a mistake - privately or publicly.
Without a Tea Party firewall in Congress, we will continue to pick up speed into the abyss, just not at the same rate of acceleration that Obama had.
Glass-Steagal will stay dead, for example.
Romney’s association with conservativism is not unlike a dry martini’s association with vermouth. It will require Congress in opposition.