Posted on 04/12/2011 12:59:48 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
Miki Booth has just reported via telephone to The Post & Email that a man born and currently residing in Hawaii went to the Department of Health this morning and requested a copy of his long-form birth certificate. He was refused, told that it was no longer available and that all he could obtain is the short-form document.
The man had obtained his short-form “Certificate of Live Birth” several weeks ago and reported to Miki that the request form had had two different boxes which could be checked: one indicating that the short-form was being requested and the other that the long-form was desired.
Today, the man reported that the form has been changed such that that choice is no longer available.
Therefore, when Dr. Chiyome Fukino spoke with MSNBC on Monday morning, she apparently was not lying when she said that long-form birth certificates are no longer available.
But why was that change made? Who ordered the change in policy? Was it made because Donald Trump has demanded that Obama release his original, detailed birth certificate to support his claim of a Hawaii birth?
The witness who accompanied the gentleman has a daughter who obtained a copy of her long-form birth certificate last month. The document was provided to Miki Booth, who supplied it to The Post & Email here.
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OK, thanks for the links.
Now the question is how would this tie to the birth announcement. Would it be an announcement for BHO, Sr.and his first wife? It does not say the child’s name. But what about the address, as I understand it, BHO, Sr. never lived at that address.
You might find this related article interesting:
Obama’s Birth Announcements Fail To Indicate “Natural Born”
Posted on April 3, 2011
Announcement sources:
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/StarBulletinPhoto.jpg
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/ObamaBirthStarBulletin.jpg
The previous article link I sent you explained that both newspapers who listed the announcements operated out of the same facility. The announcement only had one document for information used by both newspapers. There are not 2 seperate inputs for this announcement.
IIUC, you have to order a long-form certificate in writing. It’s the basic procedure you’re supposed to use for a genealogy certificate request.
The HDOH doing this means that state eligibility bills should authorize and/or require the SOS to subpoena the birth and citizenship records as well as the embedded transaction logs and complete vital records history.
The thing that hits me with this is the seeming coordination between Fukino, the current HDOH Director, and the AG’s office. When they called Fukino to tell her that long-forms are illegally being denied to requesters, did they also describe the forged long-form that the current director allowed to be placed in their office, once Neal Palafox was ousted by a joint effort of Abercrombie, Okubo, and the AG?
Everything about the Hawaii government at this point is lawless.
It’s very interesting that you were able to get your kid a US passport using the document you described. Many others on the forum have said that the State Department required them to produce a copy of their original LFBC to get their passports, and that they would not accept the short form.
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I know that the documentation has to have certain information and that it has to be a CERTIFIED document from the state or city’s office of vital records. Perhaps those people’s short forms weren’t certified, legal documents. Such things exist, I have one for my kid from the hospital and I have one for me, too. Mine says “Birth Certificate” right on it but it’s not legal proof of anything because it doesn’t have a seal or signature from any official of the city or state I was born in.
It’s also possible that those short forms didn’t have all the information required by the State Department. I don’t think they’ll be accepted if they don’t have the parents’ FULL names, for example, or the filing date, (it’s been awhile since I’ve read the requirements, so I don’t remember them exactly).
I applied for her passport at the Post Office, but they just sent it on to the State Department and all passport applications go through there. You don’t get a passport FROM the Post Office, you just fill out your application there and they tell you if your documentation is good enough.
They can make mistakes, no doubt. If they’re wrong and it’s not good enough, the State Department will reject the application. If they tell you it’s not good enough, and it is, you never know it because you believe them and go off and get what they told you to get.
Mine has:
At the top, the title. All it is is called “Certificate of Birth”
On the left side of the heading, there is a field for Dist. No.
On the right side of the heading, there is a registration number.
Item (1) is place of birth. County and City are filled in.
Item (2) is Titled “Usual Residence of mother” and is filled in.
Item (3) is “Childs Name” and is filled in with my full lawfull name (not in all caps, in proper English form with first letters capitalized and the rest lower case)
Item (4) is sex of child (for FReepers who don’t know, I’m a dude)
Item (5) is status of birth, ie single, twin, whatever
Item (6) is date.
Item (7) full lawfull name of my father
Item (8) is race/color of my father
Item (9) age of my father
Item (10) is birthplace of my father
Item (11) is occupation of my father
Item (12) is full maiden name of my mother
Item (13) is color or race of my mother
Item (14) is age of my mother
Item (15) is birthplace of my mother
Item (16) is children previously born of this mother (0, I am a firstborn)
Item (17) is length of pregnancy
Item (18) is my weight at birth
Item (19) is a fill in, was the blood of this childs mother tested for syphilis, and a date of when the test was done
Item (20) is what prevention for Opthalmia (eye infection caused by passing through the birth canal) and is filled in with AgNO3
Item (21) is mothers mailing address for registration purposes
The last part is a jurat section of sorts. It starts with:
“I hereby certify that I attended the birth of this child who was born alive on the date listed above”
Item (22) is the signature of attendent
Item (23) is a checkbox for Doctor or Midwife
Item (24) is the doctors address and the date signed by the doctor
Item (25) is the date filed by registrar
Item (26) is the signature of the registrar
Item (27) is a field called “Given Name Added”, it’s blank, not sure what it means
All of this is printed on a very fragile photocopy type paper, an image off of a roll of microfilm. On the left part of it, there is an indicator what roll of microfilm, and the signature of a person who works (worked?) for NYS dept of Vital statistics
It’s pretty old and blurry, but all the relevant info is there.
I got a passport in 1997 and they required the real deal. Drivers license or short form certificate or anything else wouldn’t cut it.
Also, I didn’t mention above that the certificate I have was impressed with the seal of the State of New York, and when I got the passport, the guy kind of brushed my certificate with like a charcoal powder to bring it out and make it more prominent.
Thank you so much for posting links. They were most informative. : )
Makes sense. BFD....
According to the article, HI is not giving out any long-form certificates.
I requested mine to find out if that is true. I also specifically requested by email after ordering to send me the long-form and that I never had that option ordering online.
I want to know if HI is fulfilling long-form BC requests, and if not when did they stop supplying them.
It would be no surprise that the DOH is not complying with the law or their own rules. I would cited 338-13 in the request and make sure to explain you want a copy of the original, doctor-signed document.
I got a passport in 1997 and they required the real deal. Drivers license or short form certificate or anything else wouldn’t cut it.
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All I can say is that in late 2010, the document I have with the information I listed was good enough. I just looked up the State Department requirements, including the new one that birth certificates must have parents’ full names, and the Texas COVR does indeed fulfill them. I suppose the state designed it to be compliant with State Department requirements and/or Real ID legislation.
It remains to be seen if it’s good enough to get her a Texas driver’s license! Funny, in 1992 I got married in Texas and went to get my name changed on my driver’s license, and brought in my marriage license, and they didn’t even ask to see it. They didn’t want any proof at all, they just changed it to what I told them to. I couldn’t believe it. I could have made up any last name any time and got a driver’s license with that name if I just walked in and said I got married. How things have changed.
My son and daughter were able to get their passports 3 years ago with a short BC with raised seal.
No doubt, application requirements for passports and other gov’t issued I.D. have changed through the years. I expect that most requirements are tougher than before - not easier.
When I asked, I was told that the reason the I.D. requirements were strengthened in Texas, was due to concerns over illegals, terrorism, and identity fraud.
LOL
Yours is more detailed than mine. Is yours a whole page? Mine is about half.
As I said, my certificate was accepted when I applied for SS disability. So I guess it had most of the major criteria for that purpose.
Well, it’s a photocopy, so I am not sure if it’s the original size. I seem to remember seeing my original with my footprint many years ago, and I think it measured about 8 1/2 inches wide and 6 1/2 inches tall.
And let me add that without a statement like a jurat saying “I hereby certify....” SIGNED BY AN INVOLVED PARTY then it can say CERTIFICATE OF LIVE CLOWNS on the top all it wants but it certifies NOTHING!!!!
Coyotehockey
Since Apr 12, 2011
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