Posted on 02/05/2009 7:52:01 PM PST by MindBender26
Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts Say; “Probably Not!”
Let me be the first to admit that I have been a constant debunker of the “Obama Born Overseas” stories. How could it be possible? How could the DNC, Hillary, Edwards, the RNC, McCain, Romney, AP, BBC, ABC, FNC, etc, (and every 100th listing in the DC phone book) not have checked this out to its last level of possibility?
Well, it appears that they didn’t! Everyone assumed “the other guy did it.”
Forget for the moment all the clues left by the high-priced Obama and DNC legal teams. They are huge.
Obama and the DNC always argue “standing.” They could eliminate every legal challenge in 5 minutes by simply producing a certified copy of the original long-form birth certificate. Throw in the testimony of the Hawaii Registrar of Documents, a few retired FBI chief document examiners, and the doctor who delivered him for good measure.
If they did that in two or three courts of record, in light of the obvious media coverage it would receive, every other court nationwide would accept the precedence and the cases would all be over.
But they don’t. They keep telling the courts, “please don’t hear this case.” No proof of any kind. Just the legalese argument that the plaintiffs have no standing before that court.
That’s so overreaching, it’s like buying a refinery to get a 3000 mile oil change! And one day, some court is going to say…. “Show me the money, er,. ah, I mean, Show me the documents!”
But there is a second, and perhaps new point!
Where is that doctor who delivered him, or the midwife?
Stop and think. The delivery of a half Negro – half Caucasian baby was rare anyhere in 1961. Oriental babies were common in Hawaii of course, but a half Negro-half Caucasian baby with the funny name of Barrack Obama, in Hawaii? In 1961?
Even of you were a Republican, if you delivered a future President of the United States, wouldn’t you call some newspaper somewhere with your story. Or if you were the assistant obstetrician, or the anesthesiologist, or the scrub nurse?
What about the circulating nurse, or the pediatrician, one of a dozen nurses on the 24 hour-a-day shifts in the nursery, one of many nurses on the ward where Mrs. Obama would have stayed for three days, a records registrar, a technician of any kind, hell, even the janitor!
What about the clerks, ambulance drivers….. somebody ?!?!?!
Anybody ?!?!?!
Wouldn’t someone have been yelling their “credit” for this from the rooftops???? The date when he was born is (supposedly) known. Certainly all these (supposed) people would know where they were working then!
Where is somebody, anybody, who was there or even remembers the birth?
Sherlock Holmes once solved a case by noticing the dog that DID NOT bark.
Is this the same situation?
Obama has not had to defend himself in a single lawsuit. It's very simple.
The key word is, "document." Sandra's specialty is finding forgeries in physical paper documents, and not document images -- especially with COLB document images. That's my specialty, and it's lonely in here.
I do not need to see the specific, original document that allegedly was scanned and saved as an image file to prove that the image is a forgery. An image can be forged to look like a document that does not actually existent: for example, Obama's bogus COLB image. When an image is actually a composite of two or more images, the evidence of that is not hard to find if you know where to look and for what you seek.
However, you do need a comparable document to validate what can and cannot be produced as a consequence of the document scanning process and the subsequent image processing that occurs when saving the image to disk.
People who never sanned a real COLB in their lives have made all sorts of claims about why this COLB document image looks the way it does. Yet, all of these claims are false and unsubstantiated by the evidence.
Someone on this forum stated that "Anyone could claim that an image was altered without any fear of being disproved."
If only. That's exactly what my detractors have been trying to do.
What happened was that many people claimed Obama's bogus COLB was real simply by saying, "I don't see any signs of forgery," or "it looks real to me."
I found it quite amazing, really, hearing some "experts" say that that they did not find any traces of what my five months of research identified. Sort of live the Church vs. Galileo
If someone says that the pixel patterns I found in this bougs COLB image are scanner artifacts or JPG artifacts, then they just ruled themselves out as an authority on both. The color dropouts in the pixels are telltale, but they are just one of dozens of significant anomalies I found that are manmade. and not the result of any naturally-occurring phenomena.
I have news for the "It isn't a forgery" crowd. Try clicking your heels four times and say, "There's no trace of COLB," "There's no trace of COLB," "There's no trace of COLB," "There's no trace of COLB." You'll be back in Kansas in no time
Good point on the retainer, but there would still be costs, and whether or not the costs would be covered under the retainer agreement depends entirely on the substance of the retainer agreement.
Even “filing a simple request to dismiss” entails costs. Who researches the law and prepares the motion and brief? (billable, subject to the retainer issue) Do the defense attorneys not discuss strategy? (billable, subject to the retainer issue) Do the defense attorneys not talk to their client? (billable, subject to the retainer issue)
You say there “would be no travel and no appearances or arguments. Just simply file to dismiss.” What do you base that on? What if the court orders a hearing on the motion to dismiss, which is the usual course of action in the states I’ve practiced in. I have not looked through the court records for any of these cases, so I don’t know what documents were filed, appearances made, hearings held, etc., but I am pretty confident that something more happened than the defendant’s simply typing “I request a dismissal” on a piece of paper, mailing it to the court, and the court then dismissing the cases.
If he was not named as a defendant in any of the lawsuits, then I agree.
If he was named, explain to me how the case/cases were dismissed if he didn’t defend himself.
In real life or in birther fantasyland where legal procedure seems to be invented on the spot and is found nowhere in established constitutional law?
Sigh... The plaintiffs had no standing. Go look them up yourself.
Let’s start with real life: First, give me some examples of cases where a judge dismissed a lawsuit where a defendant failed to plead or file a motion. Second, tell me in which of the BC cases this happened.
Be specific - I want to be educated.
I’ll see your “sigh” and double it. Why don’t you answer the questions I’ve asked.
Once again, you have no clue of legal procedure. Judges do not simply look at a complaint, determine its merits, and then choose to either “reject” or “accept” the case. It is up to the defendant to give the judge legal basis on which to base his/her decision. How could the judge know a defendant’s position if the defendant simply ignored the case?
By the way, where do you practice law?
How convenient it was for you to come his aid, although, he whines with the best of them.
Michael: I do understand that if a case is dismissed due to lack of standing then there is no trial or hearing on the merits; however, that was not the issue that created this discussion. The issue was costs spent by Obama in addressing these suits, and it seems that some of these folks mistakenly believe that no costs or time is involved on the defendant’s part when a case is dismissed based on standing.
Thanks for you input. Maybe “these folks” will be enlightened by your comments.
He whine alright to the admin and I've told him such. As for personal attacks, it's the manifestation of people getting frustrated with his illogical arguments, of him not accepting he's clearly incorrect. He will repeats his talking point over and over. It doesn't matter to him.
Here we go again. How does one move to dismiss a complaint for lack of standing without spending time or money.
Please substantiate your claim that “certainly there has been NO time or money expended.”
If Obama’s attorneys work for free, I want some of that action.
I'll answer. Obama is spending someone's money.
Robert F. Bauer, General Counsel of the Obama Campaign, filled for dismissal in Hollister v. Soetoro.
And
Joe Sandler, of Sandler, Reiff, and Young in DC who represented CAIR - it figures.
Obama probably has more on retainer ready to go if needed.
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