Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts And Questions Say; 'Probably Not!'

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[MindBender26]

Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts Say; “Probably Not!”

Let me be the first to admit that I have been a constant debunker of the “Obama Born Overseas” stories. How could it be possible? How could the DNC, Hillary, Edwards, the RNC, McCain, Romney, AP, BBC, ABC, FNC, etc, (and every 100th listing in the DC phone book) not have checked this out to its last level of possibility?

Well, it appears that they didn’t! Everyone assumed “the other guy did it.”

Forget for the moment all the clues left by the high-priced Obama and DNC legal teams. They are huge.

Obama and the DNC always argue “standing.” They could eliminate every legal challenge in 5 minutes by simply producing a certified copy of the original long-form birth certificate. Throw in the testimony of the Hawaii Registrar of Documents, a few retired FBI chief document examiners, and the doctor who delivered him for good measure.

If they did that in two or three courts of record, in light of the obvious media coverage it would receive, every other court nationwide would accept the precedence and the cases would all be over.

But they don’t. They keep telling the courts, “please don’t hear this case.” No proof of any kind. Just the legalese argument that the plaintiffs have no standing before that court.

That’s so overreaching, it’s like buying a refinery to get a 3000 mile oil change! And one day, some court is going to say…. “Show me the money, er,. ah, I mean, Show me the documents!”

But there is a second, and perhaps new point!

Where is that doctor who delivered him, or the midwife?

Stop and think. The delivery of a half Negro – half Caucasian baby was rare anyhere in 1961. Oriental babies were common in Hawaii of course, but a half Negro-half Caucasian baby with the funny name of Barrack Obama, in Hawaii? In 1961?

Even of you were a Republican, if you delivered a future President of the United States, wouldn’t you call some newspaper somewhere with your story. Or if you were the assistant obstetrician, or the anesthesiologist, or the scrub nurse?

What about the circulating nurse, or the pediatrician, one of a dozen nurses on the 24 hour-a-day shifts in the nursery, one of many nurses on the ward where Mrs. Obama would have stayed for three days, a records registrar, a technician of any kind, hell, even the janitor!

What about the clerks, ambulance drivers….. somebody ?!?!?!

Anybody ?!?!?!

Wouldn’t someone have been yelling their “credit” for this from the rooftops???? The date when he was born is (supposedly) known. Certainly all these (supposed) people would know where they were working then!

Where is somebody, anybody, who was there or even remembers the birth?

Sherlock Holmes once solved a case by noticing the dog that DID NOT bark.

Is this the same situation?

[ga medic]

“They could say that there was neither a physician or midwife present and then submit a signed statement stating that the child was born “in Hawaii on such and such date and at such and such time”

I don’t see how this would work under BOs situation. He does not have a Certificate of Hawaiin Birth, or a Delayed Certificate of Birth. He has a Certification of Live Birth, which would seem to indicate that he was in the first category, where his birth was witnessed by a physician or midwife. I don’t understand your point.

[ga medic]

So your point here is that Fact Check is a reliable verification source?

[Michael Michael]

FROM FACTCHECK FWIW.

Yes, I've read that, thanks.

Have you read Gabriel Chin's piece for the Michigan Law Review? It addresses the issue in much greater detail.

Why Senator John McCain Cannot Be President: Eleven Months And A Hundred Yards Short Of Citizenship

You will find images of John McCain’s Birth Certificate here:

Those aren't images of anything that was provided by McCain or his campaign. They were provided by some guy named Donald Lamb. And if what's in those images is in fact true, it directly contradicts McCain's claim that he was born at the hospital at Coco Solo Naval Air Station.

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He has released his birth certificate. There are pictures of it on the internet.

I haven't been able to find it. There is a document at his website that he calls his birth certificate, but Hawaii issues a certification of live birth for any foreigner.

I want to see the actual copy just like John McCain had to provide to the media. Or one like mine. Not a general document any foreigner could get.

Especially since Obama's family continues to insist he was born in Kenya. Which doesn't necessarily disqualify him anyway.

What's the mystery?

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MM:”The Certification of Live Birth is a CERTIFIED COPY. A COPY of some OTHER document. In this case a birth certificate.”

Or, as I have proved in previous posts and references, the Certification of Live Birth is a CERTIFIED document that describes a COLLECTION (one or more) of earlier documents. The example I had given was one where an adopted child’s non-birth parents may have replaced the originals. There are other corrections and ammendments that are allowed by law as well - these would be filed in addition to the original BC. But when you order your BC from the state, they will provide you only the single document that represents a “current status” of all the recorded information.

BTW, ammendments to a birth certificate can be made at any time while a person is still living but must be approved by various legal mechanisms.

You have to be careful not to use the term COPY too loosely...

[El Gato]

He has a Certification of Live Birth, which would seem to indicate that he was in the first category, where his birth was witnessed by a physician or midwife. I don’t understand your point.

You'd get the Certification, which is an abstract, regardless of which type of birth certificate you had.

The orginal document, one of them, is a "Certificate", not "Certification" of Live Birth. The Certificate is an original/source/vault document. The Certification is an abstract of the information contained on the original, not a copy of it.

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ga medic:”I don’t see how this would work under BOs situation. He does not have a Certificate of Hawaiin Birth, or a Delayed Certificate of Birth. He has a Certification of Live Birth”

How do you know BHO does not have a Delayed Certificate of Birth? Would not the document that is shown on factcheck.org be issued by Hawaii for someone who had a Delayed Certificate of Birth on record in Hawaii? I don’t know that you can say without proof that he does NOT have a Delayed Certificate of Birth.

And what do you mean he does not have a Certificate of Birth from Hawaii? In order to create the “Certification of Live Birth” document that BHO has provided, there has to be at least a Delayed Certificate or Certificate of Birth from Hawaii on record.

[mlo]

"There is a document at his website that he calls his birth certificate, but Hawaii issues a certification of live birth for any foreigner."

Nonsense. Hawaii does not give one to any foreigner.

"Especially since Obama's family continues to insist he was born in Kenya."

Please show me where his family "continues to insist" he was born in Kenya.

[mlo]

"You'd get the Certification, which is an abstract, regardless of which type of birth certificate you had."

What basis do you have for this statement?

[mlo]

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said in the three paragraph statement.
"No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai'i," the statement concludes.

Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?

"Yes," said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. "That's what Dr. Fukino is saying."

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_hawaaianborn_citizen_for.html

[STARWISE]

Just clicked on it ... it played. Try again
and check on both IE and Firefox.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHmXOQcQC1g&eurl=http://usatodayadforobamarecords.blogspot.com/

[usmcobra]

Worked for me!

[conservativegramma]

Wow starwise, thx for that link. She did say it! “Well...we haven’t seen his birth certificate either....” Wow. Of course the statement was ignored and everyone just right on yapping refusing to respond to it, but SHE DID SAY IT!

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Hawaii's website says they do.

Check the section called, "·Who is eligible to apply and how to apply for an amendment?"

Especially this part,

A person born in a foreign country who has been legally adopted in the State of Hawaii.

And these stories were circulating for months until the Kenyan government banned the family from talking to the media.

You could've found this in 5 minutes on your own. Or you could have simply followed the election.

What we're looking for is something like this,

You know. When the left said McCain wasn't eligible to run for President because he was born in Colon, so he released a copy of his birth certificate showing his American parents.

[mlo]

This:

"A person born in a foreign country who has been legally adopted in the State of Hawaii."

Does not say they give one out to any foreigner. It's talking about legal adoptions. People do adopt children from foreign countries.

The assertion was that Hawaii will give one out to any foreigner. I'm still waiting for proof of that one.

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So you agree that Obama was not born in the US and we haven’t seen his birth certificate?

You also don’t believe he was adopted by his father or step-father?

[Michael Michael]

You know. When the left said McCain wasn't eligible to run for President because he was born in Colon, so he released a copy of his birth certificate showing his American parents.

First, that is NOT anything that McCain or his campaign ever provided to anyone. It was provided by a guy named Donald Lamb. And the certificate you show here directly contradicts McCain's claim to have been born in the hospital at the Coco Solo Naval Air Station, and NOT at the Colon Hospital in Colon.

The certificate you show here was in fact used by Hollander in his lawsuit AGAINST McCain. And McCain specifically DENIED that he was born in Colon.

There has never been any scanned image or photograph of McCain's birth certificate made available to the public. He showed a hospital birth certificate in private to a Washington Post reporter, but that's it as far as I'm aware. And as was also reported by a Washington Post reporter, his birth is not listed in the records of the Canal Zone Health Department which are kept at the National Archives.

[mlo]

"So you agree that Obama was not born in the US and we haven’t seen his birth certificate?"

I have no idea how you draw that from what I said.

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mlo:”Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii? “Yes,” said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. “That’s what Dr. Fukino is saying.”

I guess it is all decided then. The statement of one flunky in the Hawwaiian Health Department has pretty much decided the issue on her own. Why did Dr. Fukino never come out to confirm this? Has Ms. Okubo seen the original documentation related to BHO’s birth? Has Dr. Fukino even seen the original documents? I tend to be suspicious of second hand information.

I think there is ample evidence to suspect the information that the Hawaiian Health Department has provided. Has Hawaii performed forensic investigations on the original document(s) and confirmed the veracity of the data provided to them? We have not been given any information on what level of verification that the Hawaiian officials have performed.

I think that BHO needs to practice what he preaches in regards to transparency. Suspicions arise anytime information is squelched...

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That is interesting. McCain doesn’t seem to have returned to the subject after the Senate vote.

I also didn’t know that FDR was born in Canada.