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To: El Gato
"You'd get the Certification, which is an abstract, regardless of which type of birth certificate you had."

What basis do you have for this statement?

1,449 posted on 02/10/2009 8:42:51 AM PST by mlo
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To: mlo; Chief Engineer
"You'd get the Certification, which is an abstract, regardless of which type of birth certificate you had."

What basis do you have for this statement?

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl

The primary documents used to show you are of age and a qualified native Hawaiian are:
A certified copy of Certificate of Birth;
A certified copy of Certificate of Hawaiian Birth,
including testimonies; or
A certified copy of Certificate of Delayed Birth.
You will need the certified birth certificates for:

Yourself
Your biological father; and
Your biological mother
The state Department of Health, (DOH), Vital Records Section, records documents by island and district (geographically) and by the date of the event (chronologically).
...
In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.

So what is your basis for implying that one would get some other document if the original birth certificate was not Certification of Live Birth?

Not that it matters much, since a Certification could be generated by the mother and a grandparent certifying a home birth. They might fudge the place and date a little to obtain citizenship for the child. Given that there is a statement on record that little BHO Jr was in Seattle while still all "pink" and when Stanley Ann did not yet know how to change his diapers, there is at least some indication that he may not have been born in Honolulu. If not in Honolulu, then perhaps in Seattle, which would mean the Certification is indeed a fake. But why bother to fake Hawaiian birth if one was born in Seattle? But if one was born in, say Vancouver BC, that would be some motivation for preparing a false document. He might even have an original with the correct place of birth on file, or he might not. But at least an examination of the Certificate would show whether it was the more usual "born in a hospital" sort, or the more unusual, especially when the parents live in the city, "filed by parent" sort.

1,466 posted on 02/10/2009 3:52:20 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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