Posted on 02/05/2009 7:52:01 PM PST by MindBender26
Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts Say; “Probably Not!”
Let me be the first to admit that I have been a constant debunker of the “Obama Born Overseas” stories. How could it be possible? How could the DNC, Hillary, Edwards, the RNC, McCain, Romney, AP, BBC, ABC, FNC, etc, (and every 100th listing in the DC phone book) not have checked this out to its last level of possibility?
Well, it appears that they didn’t! Everyone assumed “the other guy did it.”
Forget for the moment all the clues left by the high-priced Obama and DNC legal teams. They are huge.
Obama and the DNC always argue “standing.” They could eliminate every legal challenge in 5 minutes by simply producing a certified copy of the original long-form birth certificate. Throw in the testimony of the Hawaii Registrar of Documents, a few retired FBI chief document examiners, and the doctor who delivered him for good measure.
If they did that in two or three courts of record, in light of the obvious media coverage it would receive, every other court nationwide would accept the precedence and the cases would all be over.
But they don’t. They keep telling the courts, “please don’t hear this case.” No proof of any kind. Just the legalese argument that the plaintiffs have no standing before that court.
That’s so overreaching, it’s like buying a refinery to get a 3000 mile oil change! And one day, some court is going to say…. “Show me the money, er,. ah, I mean, Show me the documents!”
But there is a second, and perhaps new point!
Where is that doctor who delivered him, or the midwife?
Stop and think. The delivery of a half Negro – half Caucasian baby was rare anyhere in 1961. Oriental babies were common in Hawaii of course, but a half Negro-half Caucasian baby with the funny name of Barrack Obama, in Hawaii? In 1961?
Even of you were a Republican, if you delivered a future President of the United States, wouldn’t you call some newspaper somewhere with your story. Or if you were the assistant obstetrician, or the anesthesiologist, or the scrub nurse?
What about the circulating nurse, or the pediatrician, one of a dozen nurses on the 24 hour-a-day shifts in the nursery, one of many nurses on the ward where Mrs. Obama would have stayed for three days, a records registrar, a technician of any kind, hell, even the janitor!
What about the clerks, ambulance drivers….. somebody ?!?!?!
Anybody ?!?!?!
Wouldn’t someone have been yelling their “credit” for this from the rooftops???? The date when he was born is (supposedly) known. Certainly all these (supposed) people would know where they were working then!
Where is somebody, anybody, who was there or even remembers the birth?
Sherlock Holmes once solved a case by noticing the dog that DID NOT bark.
Is this the same situation?
I was lumping the trolls on FR with Barry’s propagandists in general: they’re losing their effectiveness, it appears, as the messiah clearly no longer holds the same fascination for the public. I should have been more specific.
Their replies are always been highly selective.
Their replies are always highly selective.
MM:”So, even if we go with Oklahoma, what exactly is the point? Rather, what does it matter who is listed as the father, unless the father was an ambassador or other diplomat serving the US?”
The original point of my statement (prior to you taking us down a rat-hole) was to show that the short-form Cetificate of Live Birth does not necessarily represent the information on the original long-form BC. Ammendments can be made to the BC that substantially effect the information recorded on the document. We cannot discern what is different until we are allowed to view the original.
You had previously stated “Given that the short form Certification of Live Birth is a certified copy of the long form Certificate of Live Birth, no”. Though your statement may be right for most BCs, there is absolutely no way for you to prove this is true in the case of BHO. On the contrary, given the confusing and erroneous historic information that has been propagated concerning BHO, and the fact that he refuses to reveal his original BC, I suspect the short form COLB is NOT a “copy” of the long form record.
In the case of an adoption, the original birth certificate is sealed once the adoption is complete. A new birth certificate is created, with the names of the adoptive parents. This new certificate would be on file in the long form, as well as the short form. If the adopted child requests a copy of his/her long form birth certificate, they will get one with the adoptive parents names, not the biological parents. Even in this case, information on the long and short form BCs should be the same.
ga medic:”This new certificate would be on file in the long form, as well as the short form. If the adopted child requests a copy of his/her long form birth certificate, they will get one with the adoptive parents names, not the biological parents”
But the original long-form document (with original birth parents, signature, etc.) is preserved and kept on file. This document can still be accessed if necessary.
You are right that when an individual requests a BC from the state (the state where they were adopted) after they have been adopted, they will receive the ammended version of the BC. But this new ammended document does not provide the forensic information necessary to determine the natural-born status of a person. You would need to have the version that was signed and sealed as his/her original birth record.
Um, since you don’t even know how to spell the commie’s name whose methodology for creating dissonance and disinformation is in use by your obamanoid friends, I think you can be dismissed as an ‘also-bammer’.
The birth certificate with the names of the adoptive parents would not indicate that it is amended, and if the parents did not disclose to the child that he/she was adopted, the child might never know. The records are sealed to protect the confidentiality of the process, and they are not obtained easily, at least that is how it was in the past.
My best friend found out in college that he was adopted. He was in a car accident, and needed a blood transfusion. His parents both wanted to donate blood, but when they were tested the doctor noticed that they could not both have been his parents. The doctor told my friends and the parents confessed that he had been adopted. He might never have known.
I don’t really see how any of this affects natural born status. You were either born here or not.
Most of the arguments on this issue are well formed, while a few are just logical conjecture, and they have been out there for 7 or 8 months. That you and your tag team are here to suppress them is obvious, so your objection to the pejorative, but apt terms is understandable. SFW?
LOL! Guilty as charged.
Wrong. The only information needed to determine "natural-born status" is the place of birth.
Besides, what do adoption procedures have to do with this? If Barry had been adopted and the BC replaced, the current copy would show the father as "Soetoro", not "Obama", and the place of birth isn't changed by adoption.
The State Department keeps passport records.
http://travel.state.gov/passport/services/copies/copies_872.html
Actually, I don’t know if Obama had an American passport prior to being a senator.
But the State Department does...and they ain’t talking!
Tell Shauna and Axel hi
Agreed. We know very little about Obama’s history because he is either ashamed of it, or scared to reveal it because of repercussions.
I propose the latter.
In any case, he, apparently, feels he has so much to hide that he has sealed all his records.
And, apparently the American people are having difficulty in petitioning their government for a redress of their grievances, because they are being stonewalled by the court system.
Imaginary friends of yours?
He is elected now, yet the one topic anywhere on the internet, You Tube, here, etc. etc.. that brings the Shauna Daly damage control team, is the birth certificate issue. If there was nothing to it and he's already elected, why would they waste there time on it now? That says it all to me. There is a problem there, maybe a bigger problem than many of us think.
I’m not sure if I agree with “most” yet. However, I will agree that “many” have not become caught up in the hysteria surrounding Obama (which still amazes me).
I would define those “many” as the ones who think clearly, rationally, and have accessed enough information (cared enough) to be informed about Obama. Those people see through Obama.
LOL Michael Michael just got OWNED. LMAO!
I said the people posting on this thread; I agree with your assessment of public opinion re. Zero.
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