Posted on 02/05/2009 7:52:01 PM PST by MindBender26
Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts Say; “Probably Not!”
Let me be the first to admit that I have been a constant debunker of the “Obama Born Overseas” stories. How could it be possible? How could the DNC, Hillary, Edwards, the RNC, McCain, Romney, AP, BBC, ABC, FNC, etc, (and every 100th listing in the DC phone book) not have checked this out to its last level of possibility?
Well, it appears that they didn’t! Everyone assumed “the other guy did it.”
Forget for the moment all the clues left by the high-priced Obama and DNC legal teams. They are huge.
Obama and the DNC always argue “standing.” They could eliminate every legal challenge in 5 minutes by simply producing a certified copy of the original long-form birth certificate. Throw in the testimony of the Hawaii Registrar of Documents, a few retired FBI chief document examiners, and the doctor who delivered him for good measure.
If they did that in two or three courts of record, in light of the obvious media coverage it would receive, every other court nationwide would accept the precedence and the cases would all be over.
But they don’t. They keep telling the courts, “please don’t hear this case.” No proof of any kind. Just the legalese argument that the plaintiffs have no standing before that court.
That’s so overreaching, it’s like buying a refinery to get a 3000 mile oil change! And one day, some court is going to say…. “Show me the money, er,. ah, I mean, Show me the documents!”
But there is a second, and perhaps new point!
Where is that doctor who delivered him, or the midwife?
Stop and think. The delivery of a half Negro – half Caucasian baby was rare anyhere in 1961. Oriental babies were common in Hawaii of course, but a half Negro-half Caucasian baby with the funny name of Barrack Obama, in Hawaii? In 1961?
Even of you were a Republican, if you delivered a future President of the United States, wouldn’t you call some newspaper somewhere with your story. Or if you were the assistant obstetrician, or the anesthesiologist, or the scrub nurse?
What about the circulating nurse, or the pediatrician, one of a dozen nurses on the 24 hour-a-day shifts in the nursery, one of many nurses on the ward where Mrs. Obama would have stayed for three days, a records registrar, a technician of any kind, hell, even the janitor!
What about the clerks, ambulance drivers….. somebody ?!?!?!
Anybody ?!?!?!
Wouldn’t someone have been yelling their “credit” for this from the rooftops???? The date when he was born is (supposedly) known. Certainly all these (supposed) people would know where they were working then!
Where is somebody, anybody, who was there or even remembers the birth?
Sherlock Holmes once solved a case by noticing the dog that DID NOT bark.
Is this the same situation?
John Sidney McCain III was born on August 29, 1936 to John S. McCain, Jr. and Roberta Wright at the Coco Solo Naval Air Station in Panama
"But nice try at the typical Alinsky methodology." Allinksky's methodology has nothing to do with a discussion of the eligibility of Obama as president, therefore, you either don't know what his methodology is or you're throwing a straw man into the discussion.
For the record, mlo:You should ask this of everyone not just mlo. I haven't seen proof where he was born, what passports he has traveled upon, or his filing status in college. Neither have you.
And just WHAT credible evidence have you seen that he WAS born in Hawaii?
Have you seen his long form, original birth certificate with an Attending Physician's signature on it?
Nothing else is "credible evidence", Not A COLB, and certainly not a computer scan of a COLB.
So what evidence is there that anyone has seen that proves he was born in any particular place on the planet? We have a live witness, a close relative, who says she was present at the birth in Mombassa, - we have a report from a friend that she instructed Stanley Ann Durham on how to change the baby Barack's diapers near Seattle a few days after his birth, but we have NO witnesses in Hawaii, No records in ANY hospital, So tell us again what you have actually seen?
I don't think you've seen anything at all, I think you are full of shit!
And how did Mama Obama get Baby Obama to Seattle for that diaper chance only a few days after his birth?
I am still completely unsure what changing one's name or, to use your phrase "using" another name has to do with anything at all, but for the record, there have been at least seven presidents who have either legally changed their names or changed them in everyday use.
Not none.
Seven.
1. Born: Hiram Ulysses Grant -> as an adult: Ulysses S Grant
2. Born: Stephen Grover Cleveland -> as an adult: Grover Cleveland
3. Born: Thomas Woodrow Wilson -> as an adult:, dropped Thomas
4. Born: John Calvin Coolidge -> as an adult: Calvin Coolidge
5. Born: David Dwight Eisenhower -> as an adult Dwight David Eisenhower (changed when he entered West Point).
6. Born: Leslie King, Jr -> as an adult: Gerald Rudolph Ford (from his birth name to the name of his step fatherm changed his name when he was in his 20's).
7. Born: William Jefferson Blythe -> later: William Jefferson Clinton
"And just WHAT credible evidence have you seen that he WAS born in Hawaii?" FAITH!Faith is a social force, unlike science. Faith fuses individuals and collectives into a single cohesive society. You simply cannot have civilization without faith/belief that 95% of what you know and believe is taken upon faith and not proof.
You have faith when you traverse an intersection during a green light that the opposing light is red and traffic will stop. You have faith that the biscuits & gravy your waitress places on the table each morning isn't laced with arsenic. You have faith that your spouse will be true to you, but you have no proof. You have faith that MS EXCEL will add a column of numbers for you, but you don't know first hand the science behind it.
If one has to have proof that everything going on around them will work to their advantage each day, they'll never be able to get out of bed.
What PROOF do you have that this "close relative, who says she was present at the birth in Mombassa" isn't some wild eyed political hack or crack user hired by someone to say that? What PROOF do you have that this "friend that she instructed Stanley Ann Durham on how to change the baby Barack's diapers near Seattle a few days after his birth" isn't some loon looking for her 15 minutes of fame.
Just because you haven't found any witnesses in Hawai'i doesn't mean there aren't hundreds of them around that simply don't have you're particular sense of excitability. Just because you can't see that it's raining outside doesn't mean that it's not raining.
One day, after 'Barry' was born, she came for an afternoon, (on her way from Hawaii to join her husband at Harvard.)"
Blake remembers "the infant. He was sweet and pink and very new." The two talked and cuddled the baby. "And I changed Barack Obama's diapers."
Are you familiar with a thing called courtesy?
22cal: Are you familiar with courtesy?
Sorry, it being 3:00 am I was feeling peeved at the implied put down.
The context of my comment that you reply to here is from August of last year onward, when Fact Check released the photographs and it was made known that the paper document was kept at Obama's Chicago campaign headquarters.
I did not know ( or maybe remember) that circumstance.
Is that you Shauna?
You got a new job, how nice
Now come on Chief, everyone knows all about obama. We are supposed to read his book "Dreams" and that explains all he wants us to know..
No he's not. Michael Michael is an ahloe, but he's just doing his job, Obamabis worried, needs damage control
Actually, it was little Barry who was full of sh*t. Well, you are too.
Here's Ann Dunham's friend, Susan Blake, who Dunham visited at Mercer Island several weeks after little Barry was born. Apparently, Ann still hadn't figured out how to master the fine art of diaper changing, but Blake was nice enough to provide instruction for the new mom. How sweet.
Here's a nice video of Susan talking about what it was like changing the future Commander-in-Chief's diaper :
What would have young Ann done without friends like Susan...? Needless to say, it would have been a "messy" situation...
"I still don't know the actual name of the Freeper who discovered the discrepancies in the Memogate scandal four and a half years ago, but that didn't invalidate the discoveries that he made." For what it's worth, Buckhead is a 50 year old attorney from Atlanta named Harry W. McDougald. http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/s/stix/2004/stix092604.htm
At least have the decency to ping people when you talk about them.
Yes, and the neighbors of the Lefforge property have no recollection of Mattress Annie or a black infant.
I believe that if the PUMA’s voted in the numbers that some expected—and I was a bit naive about that—that McCain would have ended up with more votes than he did. I was referring to support at the polls, not to websites or information, which actually have been very illuminating.
Let’s not leave out our alltime favorite, William Jefferson Blythe III!
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