Posted on 01/30/2009 10:26:26 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
A new lawsuit is challenging Barack Obama's eligibility to be president, and this one targets Congress as a defendant for its "failure" to uphold the constitutional demand to make sure Obama qualified before approving the Electoral College vote that actually designated him as the occupant of the Oval Office.
The new case raises many of the same arguments as dozens of other cases that have flooded into courtrooms around the nation since the November election.
It is being brought on behalf of Charles F. Kerchner Jr., Lowell T. Patterson, Darrell James Lenormand and Donald H. Nelson Jr. and names as defendants Barack Hussein Obama II, the U.S., Congress, the Senate, House of Representatives and former Vice President Dick Cheney along with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
Where's the proof Barack Obama was born in the U.S. or that he fulfills the "natural-born American" clause in the Constitution? If you still want to see it, join more than 193,000 others and sign up now!
As WND has reported, dozens of lawsuits have been filed over Obama's eligibility to assume the office of the president. Many have been dismissed while others remain pending.
The cases, in various ways, have alleged Obama does not meet the "natural born citizen" clause of the U.S. Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, which reads, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."
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I will have to disagree with you. Where is Obama’s original birth certificate? When someone hides soemthing, they have something to hide. We need Obama’s birth certificate, passports and school records subpoened for examination by authorities. I believe that it can be proven that Obama’s COLB is a forgery.
Here are the fields found on the Long Form California Certificate of Live Birth:
Certification of Vital Record
Office of Recorder
County of _________
CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH
STATE OF CALIFORNIA--DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH
State File Number ________
Local Registration District and Certificate Number ________
THIS CHILD
1A. Name of Child--First Name
1B. Middle Name
1C. Last Name
2. Sex
3A. This birth. Single, Twin, or Triplet?
3B. If Twin or Triplet, This Child Born 1st, 2nd, 3rd?
4A. Date of Birth--Month, Day, Year
4B. Hour
PLACE OF BIRTH
5A. Place of Birth--Name of Hospital
5B. Street Address (Give Street or Rural Address or Location. Do Not Use P.O. Box Numbers)
5C. City or Town
5D. County
MOTHER OF CHILD
6A. Maiden Name of Mother--First Name
6B. Middle Name
6C. Last Name
7. Color or Race of Mother
8. Age of Mother (At Time of This Birth)
9. Birthplace (State or Foreign Country)
10. Mailing Address of Mother--If Different From Usual Residence--For Notification of Birth Registration.
USUAL RESIDENCE OF MOTHER (WHERE DOES MOTHER LIVE?)
11A. Usual Residence of Mother--Street Address (Give Street Address or Rural Address or Location (Do Not Use P.O. Box Numbers)
11B. If Inside City Corporate Limits Check Here [box] If Outside City Corporate Limits Check One - On a Farm [box] Not on a Farm [box]
11C. City or Town
11D. County
11E. State
FATHER OF CHILD
12A. Name of Father--First Name
12B. Middle Name
12C. Last Name
13. Color or Race of Father
14. Age of Father (At Time of This Birth)
15. Birthplace (State or Foreign Country)
16A. Present or Last Occupation
16B. Kind of Industry or Business
INFORMANT'S CERTIFICATION
17A. [I Have Reviewed the Above Stated Information and Hereby Certify That It Is True and Correct to the Best of My Knowledge] Parent or Other Informant--Signature (If Other Than Parent, Specify)
17B. Date Signed by Informant
ATTENDANT'S CERTIFICATION
18A. [I Hereby Certify That I Attended This Birth and That the Child Was Born Alive at the Hour, Date and Place Stated Above.] Physician (or Other Person Who Attended This Birth) Signature--Degree or Title
18B. Address
REGISTRAR'S CERTIFICATION
19. Date on Which Name Added by Supplemental Name Report
20. Local Registrar--Signature
21. Date Received by Local Registrar
CERTIFIED COPY OF VITAL RECORDS
STATE OF CALIFORNIA } SS
COUNTY OF _________ }
This is a true and exact reproduction of the document officially registered and placed on file in the office of the ___________ County Recorder.
Date Issued ___________
[Signature and embossed seal]
_____ [Name]
_____ County Recorder
This copy not valid unless prepared on engraved border displaying date and signature of Recorder.
Any Alteration or Erasure Voids This Certificate
Perhaps the state department could clarify historical travel restrictions for that time period.
I could not find any direct info with a cursory search.
This wouldn’t happen to be the same FactCheck that has a funding source in common with Obama (Annenberg), would it? Nah, must be a completely different FactCheck, one that’s objective, right?
You guys are awesome.
I will have to correct you - I am not the least bit awesome or useful on these threads; it is the other ones who are. I just read and occasionally chime in with really useless comments. (just had to set the record straight.)
IF you did I missed it. Quite possible as I've been busy chasing down coordinate transformations object rotations. While that is not a link, I found it myself before you replied.
There, fixed it.
Polarik, why throw down the gauntlet?
Most pros would have the grace to acknowledge (as I believe you have) that there is (my words here) an indication of a seal on the dailyKOS image (2427x2369, 520 kb version). Anyone here can look at that image (100% magnification) and find it, now that they know where to look. Why not just say so? Why leave your supporters and detractors something to be divided on?
I completely understand putting a lot of work into a project, and then not wanting to entertain requests afterward. I myself am very much a "here it is, take it or leave it" kind of person. If I release something free to the world, I don't want people coming back with their personal wish lists or special requests on how that release could be better tailored to their needs.
I understand you did your work on your own time. Nobody would expect journal-publication quality word-crafting for a project like you undertook. Nobody would expect an error-free analysis. That said, your report has a number of rough spots. Some of that may just be omission of explanation... but how does one distinguish such omissions from errors in reason?
You collected a lot of ground-truth information on actual physical documents, and made us aware of seal changes and things like that. I suspect that that will be the biggest contribution, in the end, rather than any specific claims of image manipulation, but who knows.
On the other hand... I have always prided myself as a dragon slayer. And your points (3) and (4) were hotly spoken. I am really NOT interested in diving into the COLB verification business. I would like nothing more than to turn my attention to other matters. I also believe that there is little more to be gained from the digital image authenticity argument, beyond what has been done, except to keep embarrassments to a minimum. But, all said and done, I think that I would be hesitant to call as a witness someone who talks as hotly as you write.
Sorry all. I'm just trying to figure out what is what, and where those whats stand.
Yea, it would, at least the "place of birth question". That is if it was a paper copy, with a raised seal that could be examined. With paper that could be examined and so forth. But it's not, it's image which shows evidence of having been manipulated.
No he wasn't. It was alleged that he was not born in the US. This image was posted in response to that allegation. The image posted did have a seal, at least to the naked eye, and yet when it was allegedly photographed in response to that observation, why there is the seal. A perfect circle, when from the angle of the paper, it should appear as an ellipse. Oh and the second fold, another critique of what was originally posted was that it was not visible, also appears. Right through the "seal".
That is the way it works for the rest of us, regarding place and date of birth. Usually requires a picture ID and sometimes even a thumbprint.
Mlo, You are NOT a lawyer. The lawyer in my house says that no judge will accept the document his lawyer presented as evidence. Any judge will only accept a document that has not been both certified, but presented to the court by an officer of the court.....
The reason that OB's lawyer only presented it as an asterisk was to establish a loophole for his own malfeasance.
In general no, but the State Department stated back when the passport records of Clinton, McCain and Obama were "improperly accessed", that they do not maintain such travel records, only the applications for the passport. Of course those would contain birth information, which would have been verified by a certified copy of the person's birth certificate, or other documentation of birth or naturalization.
does obsessive compulsive disorder ring a bell?
Actually, the state department requires a long form BC to get a passport. It’s on the web site.
And what you wrote leaves me cold..so I guess I'm back to normal.
You said — “For $12 Borat 0bama could make this go away forever.”
Ummm..., I think he spent the $12, put a scanned image on a website — and it *still didn’t do him any good*....
There are no more “$12” to spend now... LOL...
You said — “Another terrific article and case. One of these cases will hit it right and ZERO will be removed from office.”
While there might be evidence that is produced, the evidence will have to be given to the House of Representatives, for a vote as to whether they want to institution Impeachment proceedings. I don’t quite see that happening with this Democrat Congress...
Besides that, as we saw with Clinton, even if an Impeachment were to go through, even with *solid evidence* (against Clinton, from a court of law, concerning that court) — still — the “Conviction” was not done, but instead, a “Not Guilty”.
Thus, I would guess the same kind of result, if it ever got that far, in the first place...
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