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Neanderthals Were Seperate Species, Says New Human Family Tree
Physorg ^ | 5-4-2008

Posted on 05/05/2008 11:38:41 AM PDT by blam

Neanderthals were separate species, says new human family tree

A wax figure representing a Neanderthal man on display at a museum. A new, simplified family tree of humanity has dealt a blow to those who contend that the enigmatic hominids known as Neanderthals intermingled with our forebears.

A new, simplified family tree of humanity, published on Sunday, has dealt a blow to those who contend that the enigmatic hominids known as Neanderthals intermingled with our forebears.

Neanderthals were a separate species to Homo sapiens, as anatomically modern humans are known, rather than offshoots of the same species, the new organigram published by the journal Nature declares.

The method, invented by evolutionary analysts in Argentina, marks a break with the conventional technique by which anthropologists chart the twists and turns of the human odyssey.

That technique typically divides the the genus Homo into various classifications according to the shape of key facial features -- "flat-faced," "protruding-faced" and so on.

Reconciling these diverse classifications from a tiny number of specimens spanning millions of years has led to lots of claims and counter-claims, as well as much confusion in the general public, about how we came to be here.

Various species of Homo have been put up for the crown of being our direct ancestor, only to find themselves dimissed by critics as failed branches of the Homo tree.

The authors of the new study, led by Rolando Gonzalez-Jose at the Patagonian National Centre at Puerto Madryn, Argentina, say the problem with the conventional method is that, under evolution, facial traits do not appear out of the blue but result from continuous change.

So the arrival of a specimen that has some relatively minor change of feature as compared to others should not be automatically held up as representing a new species, they argue.

The team goes back over the same well-known set of specimens, but uses a different approach to analyse it, focussing in particular on a set of fundamental yet long-term changes in skull shape.

They took digital 3D images of the casts of 17 hominid specimens as well as from a gorilla, chimpanzee and H. sapiens.

The images were then crunched through a computer model to compare four fundamental variables -- the skull's roundness and base, the protrusion of the jaw, and facial retraction, which is the position of the face relative to the cranial base.

When other phylotogenic techniques are used, the outcome is a family tree whose main lines closely mirror existing ones but offers a clearer view as to how the evolutionary path unfolded.

The paper suggests that, after evolving from the hominid Australopithecus afarensis, the first member of Homo, H. habilis, arose between 1.5 and 2.1 million years ago.

We are direct linear descendants of H. habilis. H. sapiens started to show up around 200,000 years ago.

None of the species currently assigned to Homo are discarded, though.

On the other hand, the Neanderthals are declared "chronological variants inside a single biological heritage," in other words, evolutionary cousins but still a separate species from us.

The squat, low-browed Neanderthals lived in parts of Europe, Central Asia and the Middle East for around 170,000 but traces of them disappear some 28,000 years ago, their last known refuge being Gibraltar.

Why they died out is a matter of furious debate, because they co-existed alongside anatomically modern man.

Some opinions aver that the Neanderthals were slowly wiped out by the smarter H. sapiens in the competition for resources.

Other contend that we and the Neanderthals were more than just kissing cousins. Interbreeding took place, which explains why the Neanderthal line died out, but implies that we could have Neanderthal inheritage in our genome today, goes this theory.


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81 posted on 05/06/2008 10:46:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Profile updated Monday, April 28, 2008)
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To: blam

Just another theory.


82 posted on 05/07/2008 5:56:23 AM PDT by Dustbunny (Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged. The Gipper)
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To: blam

INTREP


83 posted on 05/07/2008 10:27:46 AM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: toast

Different race can interbreed and produce fertile offspring. Different species can’t.


84 posted on 05/07/2008 2:09:09 PM PDT by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns.)
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To: brytlea

I have read some speculation that man and chimp could interbreed.


85 posted on 05/09/2008 6:38:03 PM PDT by maro
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To: maro

Well, if they can interbreed (and produce offspring) I guarantee some guy would have already done it and there would be half human/half chimps running around.
susie


86 posted on 05/09/2008 8:44:37 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: MovementConservative
Seems like from what I learned the Neanderthals were more pack-like and didn’t spend much time in dead philosophical thought. They didn’t even care for their dead from what I remember.

On the contrary ... I remember reading something about findings indicating that Neandertals had elaborate burial procedures that indicated reverence.

And they always depict them as dark of hair and eyes. If they were living in cold overcast climates, I think they'd have had blue eyes, white skin, and whitish yellow hair. Most of the hairiest guys I know are blonds -- thick whitish-blond hair on their arms, you can practically braid it! God knows you can probably braid the eyebrows of some, literally. But because it's white and turns kind of whitish gold in the sun, it doesn't look like that neandertal.

87 posted on 05/10/2008 12:17:43 AM PDT by Finny (Democrats do Mommy Government. Today's Republicans do Daddy Government. Conservatives do Freedom.)
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To: MrB

Yeah. Ben Stein says so, so it must be true!


88 posted on 05/10/2008 12:25:35 AM PDT by Finny (Democrats do Mommy Government. Today's Republicans do Daddy Government. Conservatives do Freedom.)
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To: Coyoteman; MrB

What cracks me up about Mr B is that he is SO MUCH the definition of his tagline!


89 posted on 05/10/2008 12:31:24 AM PDT by Finny (Democrats do Mommy Government. Today's Republicans do Daddy Government. Conservatives do Freedom.)
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To: blam; All
A new, simplified family tree of humanity, published on Sunday, has dealt a blow to those who contend that the enigmatic hominids known as Neanderthals intermingled with our forebears.

The reason for controversies like this is that macroevolution ideas are no more a scientifically verified science than creationism is.

90 posted on 05/10/2008 12:53:16 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Finny

Yeah, because teaching atheism in schools is so “reasonable” and does so much for the good of society. Just look how much better society is since they kicked Judeo-Christian moral teachings out of the schools... oops.


91 posted on 05/10/2008 5:42:03 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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Image Hosted by ImageShack.usImage Hosted by ImageShack.us So is this guy Valuev a Homo or not?
92 posted on 05/10/2008 6:27:26 AM PDT by ResponseAbility
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