Posted on 06/17/2007 6:54:37 PM PDT by Rodney King
Why I believe in Creation Posted: December 17, 2004 1:00 a.m. Eastern
I was stunned the other day when I asked evolution-believing listeners to my nationally syndicated radio show to call in and tell me why they believed.
"Just give me one reason why you accept the theory," I said. "Just give me the strongest argument. You don't have to give me mountains of evidence. Just tell me why I should accept it."
Not one evolutionist called in.
Meanwhile, the phone banks lit up with dozens of evolution skeptics.
Go figure. For more than 40 years, evolution has been taught as fact in government schools to generations of children, yet there is still widespread skepticism, if not cynicism, about the theory across the country.
But, because of political correctness and the fear of ostracism, most people are afraid to admit what they believe about our origins. That's why I wrote my last column – "I believe in Creation."
The reaction to it has been unprecedented. While I expected mostly negative fallout, most letters have been quite positive.
So, I decided to take this issue a step further. Since the evolutionists don't want to tell me why they believe in their theory, I figured I would explain why I believe in mine.
The primary reason I believe, of course, is because the Bible tells me so. That's good enough for me, because I haven't found the Bible to be wrong about anything else.
But what about the worldly evidence?
The evolutionists insist the dinosaurs lived millions and millions of years ago and became extinct long before man walked the planet.
I don't believe that for a minute. I don't believe there is a shred of scientific evidence to suggest it. I am 100 percent certain man and dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time. In fact, I'm not at all sure dinosaurs are even extinct!
Think of all the world's legends about dragons. Look at those images. What were those folks seeing? They were clearly seeing dinosaurs. You can see them etched in cave drawings. You can see them in ancient literature. You can see them described in the Bible. You can see them in virtually every culture in every corner of the world.
Did the human race have a collective common nightmare? Or did these people actually see dragons? I believe they saw dragons – what we now call dinosaurs.
Furthermore, many of the dinosaur fossils discovered in various parts of the world were found right along human footprints and remains. How did that happen?
And what about the not-so-unusual sightings of contemporary sea monsters? Some of them have actually been captured.
There are also countless contemporary sightings of what appear to be pterodactyls in Asia and Africa.
You know what I think? I think we've been sold a bill of goods about the dinosaurs. I don't believe they died off millions and millions of years ago. In fact, I'm not at all convinced they've died off completely.
Evolutionists have put the cart before the horse. They start out with a theory, then ignore all the facts that contradict the theory. Any observation that might call into question their assumptions is discounted, ridiculed and covered up. That's not science.
How could all the thousands of historical records of dragons and behemoths throughout mankind's time on earth be ignored? Let's admit it. At least some of these observations and records indicate dinosaurs were walking the earth fairly recently – if not still walking it today.
If I'm right about that – which I am – then the whole evolutionary house of cards comes tumbling down.
This is the evidence about which the evolutionists dare not speak.
"Its uniqueness"
So its unique because it is unique? Interesting argument. Not terribly convincing. Why is it unique?
"Its historical accuracy"
There are many books from all time periods which are historically accurate in the same way as the Bible. What makes the Bible's historical accounts unique?
"The evidence of fulfilled prophecy"
Which can only be claimed to have been fulfilled after the fact and with a lot of 'interpretive' dancing.
"Its scientific accuracy"
Now you have my interest. Where is the Bible accurate in its science? Better yet, where is its science? Do remember to avoid the same type of interpretive dancing as done with 'predictions'.
"Its demonstration of changed lives"
Because it is full of memes which can change people's lives, or more correctly, their attitude toward life, it is unique and sacred? In that case I guess that every self help book from authors such as Carlos Castaneda to Wayne Dyer can be considered unique and sacred.
"You should read it...it’s amazing!"
I read it when I was 11 - 12. When I finished it I began the change from a YEC (as I was indoctrinated by my father and grandparents) to an atheist. I found Science Fiction to be much more believable and uplifting.
I'm glad you are planning to post on Newton. Please feel free to include gravity in your discussion of Newton's Principia. You might want to read Newton on gravity before continuing.
Nah. I usually deserve AT LEAST as much crap as I get. I am fairly thick skinned and assume that you are too. If I have acerbic things to say, it is because I really do think they are for deserved stupidity. Also, for what it is worth, stupid statements are NOT the exclusive domain of stupid people. Introductory logic takes you through a whole pile of serious errors in reasoning........., and illustrates them by examples by such lightweights as Kant, Hume, Neitzche, Anselm, Whitehead, Russel adn others, who made grevious errors in reasoning. Being bright don't mean being bright, and making serious errors don't mean being stoopid.
[Please move a mountain for us to show us whether Jesus was right.]
If I had thAT kind of faith I wouldn’t be sitting here arguing, and there would be no question about God’s existence.
You can find many many personal testimonies to God’s personal intervention in people’s lives, and I could explain all sorts of direct answers to very specific prayers. For instance, this didn’t happen to me, but My pastor needed a computer for his job, and he prayed very specifically, asking for a certain model, speed, memory etc, and didn’t tell anyone of this prayer, nor did he tell anyone of his need for computer. A short while later, he got a call from clear across the country from a person who had come to his church in the past, and the person was upgrading hteir computer, and wanted to know if the pastor could use his older computer- Well guess what? It was the very computer he had prayed about and needed for doing graphics work. Then there are the answers to prayer for God to intervene in a person’s health that are granted and doctors can’t explain how hte person was healed- you can find many testimonies of this.
I’m sure you’re aware of folks who have been in danger, prayed, and had folks appear of of the clear blue to help them only to turn around and not be able to find hte person to thank them- I won’t say this is ‘proof’ per se, but it can’t be simply written off either.
[Yet, you have no proof — you have just your assertion that you got what you wanted or needed because you had supernatural help. Sorry, I’m not buying that.]
You’re darn right you’re not buying it because it isn’t for sale- you MUST experience it yourself or have faith that the millions of people who express their personal experiences aren’t all lying to you- people from all walks of life, from all countries, from all cultures, all testifying to their personal experiences with God some of which are quite mind blowing, some more commonplace answers to specific prayers. You’ll find testimonies about people who needed gas, didn’t have the money, and having a complete stranger coem up and hand htem money saying “The Lord layed this on my heart to give you this” when the person in need gave no indication that they were in need.,
I had a very personal experience happen to me- It wqas late at night, I was walking home, and had to walk past a friends house. As I waled past, I just kept getting this overwhelming feeling that I should stop- I tried to brush it off, kept walking, but this feeling just got stronger. I spoke a quick prayer to God, telling Him I didn’t want to stop- it was late, I’d see hte personm the next day. The Holy Spirit kept prompting me, finally I turned around- grumbling, and felt that hte person probably wasn’t even up anymore. I went to door, knocked soft incase they were sleeping- and heard “Who is it?” Anyway- I went in- we talked for a bit- nothing seemd out of the ordinary, and I felt stupid, feelign I had just imagined the sense of urgency I had felt. As I was leaving, the friend stopped me, and said “You see that shorgun by the chair?” pointing across the room. I said “Yeah” The dude broke down and just lost it. I had absolutely no idea the friend was going through any problems. “He said “God must have sent you here tonight because I’ve been sitting here trying to get up the courage to kill myself.”
Now, you can brush this off, or even try to explain it away by claiming perhaps it was some ‘psychic preminition’ or whatever you like- but I’m telling you there are thousands and thousands of testimonies of very similiar experiences where people ‘heard’ from God, didn’t want ot obey, but did and were as floored as I was when they discovered just how personal and caring a God God really is.
And by the way- 15 years later, this fella that I stopped by his place, his brother committed suicide- His brother was a friend of mine as well, nice guy, but troubled as long as I knew him. He had claiemd to be saved, and I hope he was, but it seems that sometimes we can’t see the glories of God because we’re too selfish and demand that God do htings our way, and when He doesn’t, we get all self absorbed and self pittying. I’m not undermining the seriousness of what this freind went through, but we had many talks about God before he killed himself, and it was apparent that he wanted God to be there for him in ways that were- to be quite frank, not honoring to God.
Christ Was illiterating two great truths here- one, if we but had the faith of a size of a mustard seed, we could very weel order supernatural event to take place, and two, He was pointing out the truth that all we need do is have faith, pray, believe in the Lord, and if the moutnain needs moving, God will enable us to do so naturally by giving us hte help we need to move that mountain physically. Chrst’s words were to point out two htings, one that nothign is impossible with the Lord (Even the winds obeyed His commands) and two, that although we don’t even have the faith of the size of mustard seed, we can have enough faith to count on the Lord to enable us to do what seems impossible, yey entirely possible in the natural world- that mountain can be moved by you, should God decide it prudent to have them outnain moved. You could have faith, pray about it, and The Lord might very well lay the need to move the mountain on the hearts of an army of people, and that mountain shall be moved. We think “I need the mountain moved, but I’m just one person- it owuld take an army to move it, but I don’t know that many people and couldn’t raise the army to do so, and we lose faith and becoem discouraged, and fail in our faith in God to provide what is needed.
Quite frankly, I don’t have the kind of faith it would require to trust god to rasie an army to move that mountain- I’m easily discouraged and lose faith quickly. My faith isn’t even a fraction of the size of hte mustard seed.
[I found Science Fiction to be much more believable and uplifting.]
Obviously you must have as you traded in a supernatural plausibility for a hypothesis that has soi many natural imossibilities for it’s model that it is science fiction.
One good jab deserves another.
[So its unique because it is unique? Interesting argument. Not terribly convincing. Why is it unique?]
[There are many books from all time periods which are historically accurate in the same way as the Bible. What makes the Bible’s historical accounts unique?]
Egads, if you need to ask that, then you obviously don’t understand how the bible, or hte writings came to be. People who were commissioned by God Himself to write His word to us were seperated by thousands of years and seperated by completely different cultures and langueages, all wrote a Holy Inspired word of God that seemelesly workes together flawlessly. The folks knew nothign of the other writers, were not inspired in any way by the other writers, yet the bible’s spiritual messages and deep spiritual insights are evident from the very beginning book of Genesis to the last. Adam and Eve weren’t just the first people created, they represented spiritual insights and the underpinnings of why Christ had to die for our sins, and the theme and deeper meanings of their lives are completely woven throughout hte whole word. No other ‘historical work’ has had the ability to see the future and precisely prophesy about events that couldn’t possibly be predicted with the amount of precision that the bible’s prophets did. The best that ‘psychics’ can accomp;lish is a success rate of 40% or thereabouts- not much better than folks who aren’t psychic but are good at forensic annalysis of issues or events. Let me repeat, because this is what seperates the word of God from any ordinary work by man- He dictated events to the bible’s prophets, and they got their hundreds of prophesies completely and 100% spot on- there are 60 or more very precise prohpesies coincerning hte life of Christ alone that were prohesied 1000’s of years earlier.
The Bible is alos unique inthat thousands witnessed miracles, and secular folks even witnessed them and wrote about them
[Which can only be claimed to have been fulfilled after the fact and with a lot of ‘interpretive’ dancing.]
Lol- ‘interpretive dancing’? You must really be desperate to disbelieve God to make that claim- go back and read the prophesies- there is NO itnerpretive dancing at all- they are precise, they mention future nations by name- nations that were not even around yet, and they mention the very underdog nations by name that would bring God’s judgement upon the much more powerful nations- Nostrodamaus was so incredibly obscure in his ‘predictions’ that there indeed has to be ‘interpretive dancing’ when trying to find only a coupel of his predictions that might have coem true- however, there are literally hundreds upon hundreds of prophesies that need no such ‘interpretive dancing’- that claim is a false claim.
This sir is just the tiop of the iceburg, but it beautifully illustrates how precise the prohpesies of prophets thousands of years earlier dictated Gods precise word and nailed the events dead on
“Notice, too, the seven ramifications of a prophecy (Zechariah 11:11-13; cf. Psalm 41, Jeremiah 32:6-15, and Matthew 27:3-10) that narrows the drama down even further. Here God indicates the Messiah will be (1) betrayed, (2) by a friend, (3) for thirty pieces, (4) of silver, that will be (5) cast onto the floor, (6) of the Temple, and (7) used to buy a potter’s field.”
Oh there’s plenty more- and no ‘interpretive dancing’ needs to happen to realize that these events happened precisely as God told the prohpets Zach and Jerimiah, as well as others would happen. One must surely be desperate to claim God’s word isn’t God’s word by claiming the prophesies needed ‘interpretive dancing’, and one must be quite determined ot disbelieve no matter the eivdnece to suggest that the Prpohets didn’t hear divine words of foreknowledge that came to pass just as God said they wqould- not just a few times, which could i guess, if one were desperate, be brushed aside as mere coincidence- but came to pass thousands of times. No other ‘historical book’ can even coem close to this accomplishement.
Thanks for your reply...I did find a picture of some soldiers standing over a much larger pterodactyle as you pointed out, however, the notation under the picture is that this was a picture of a group of confederate soldiers, standing over the pterodactyle, which is as you have previously stated, is much larger...supposedly shot down in 1860...I will include a link to that picture, maybe that will jar someone elses memory as well...I thank you for you help in trying to locate this WW 11 picture...
Here is a link to a website...you have to scroll down to see the picture there, is it towards the bottom of the page...thanks...maybe eventually we will find this WW 11 picture...Here is the link...
http://objectiveministries.org/creation/pterosaurs.html
I found Science Fiction to be much more believable and uplifting
You are a hoot!
WOW! We found a skull from a guy with big eyes and an overbite! SEE, there MUST be aliens! (< \sarcasm off >)
That some of these images might actually have been fossilized remains (some of which were "altered for convenience" {!}) is evidence of nothing more than man's propensity to twist data in his attempts to prove his pre-existing "theory".
However, it ain't evolution, and it sure ain't science.
You get no points for evidence, but I'll grant you 2 points for gullible creativity.
;-/
Ideally examples of fulfilled prophecy shouldn’t be claimed to have been fulfilled in the same source.
Wow, are you an anthropologist?
unless there were objective sources to back up the claims that the prophesies were fulfilled- which in this case their were- as well, no claims of fulfilled prophesy were made in regards to many prophesies that spoke of nations- history facts back up the fact that the prophesies were fulfilled, not the bible
Yeah I think that was the picture- I saw it on another site htough and they cuationed that it could have been hoaxed, anyhting is possible with todays modern technology- even making pictures look old- that’s not to say this is the case for that picture, but we should be aware it could be faked. I like the idea that therem ight be some wierd creatures still walking around too- but am very skeptical- but don’t rulke it out- The ThunderBirds is a neat possibility- would be awesome to see one captured on film- there has been some very interesting moving video taken of some large birds- but the resolution wasn’t clear enough to identify the birds- but was intriguing to say the least.
I appreciate your taking considerable time to write such a long response, but I don’t consider what you wrote to be proof of the existence of a supernatural being. For example, you wrote:
“Then there are the answers to prayer for God to intervene in a person’s health that are granted and doctors can’t explain how hte person was healed- you can find many testimonies of this. . . . I’m sure you’re aware of folks who have been in danger, prayed, and had folks appear of of the clear blue to help them only to turn around and not be able to find the person to thank them- I won’t say this is ‘proof’ per se, but it can’t be simply written off either.”
My response: It isn’t proof, it is coincidence at best, and it should be simply written off. The reason is obvious to most probably, but in case it isn’t, the fact is that for every “answered prayer” like the examples you give, there are a hundred prayers that were “not answered.” We all know friends and relatives who have died, or suffered greatly while alive, despite their earnest prayers and the prayers of friends and relatives for help. Yet the Bible tells us that Jesus preached ANY request will be granted if we just pray for it.
Your question: “Are you a sophomore biology student or something?”
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Not by a long shot. Are you a third grader or something?
Coincidence at best? Wow- there are literally many htousands of such requests that leave doctors stumped shaking hteir heads- call it what you like- most people do
[The reason is obvious to most probably, but in case it isn’t, the fact is that for every “answered prayer” like the examples you give, there are a hundred prayers that were “not answered.”]
This isn’t true- God’s answer isn’t always “Yes, I’ll Grant you whatever you want whenever you ask for it- God’s answers sometimes are no, and although painful, there are many times when the no answer was the most wise answer- but it surely didn’t feel like it at the time.
[Yet the Bible tells us that Jesus preached ANY request will be granted if we just pray for it.]
That’s not true- Some preachers preach that- but that is not what the bible states- that is a conditional promise where the request need be inline with God’s will- many sensational “Pray it, name it, and it’s yours” preachers leave that little crucial tidbit out because it doesn’t bode well fore their sensational emotion jerking/emotion manipulating preaching
While you may not concider those htigns I wrote about ‘proofs’ I can tell you that through my many years as a christian- too many of those type things have happened along the way to be simple ‘coincidences’
As well, how many times have you had a very particular need, somethign like being in need of immediate cash, and had a complete stranger walk up to you and tell you right flat out that the Lord laid it on their heart to give you the money? I don’t know about you, but complete strangers simply don’t come up to me handing me money for any reason, yet there are many many testimonies such as this- Coincidence? Seems you might be a little eager to discount very real acts by God through others. Specific acts such as have been described. How about Livingston, an early missionary, who ran a boarding house for orphaned kids, and there was zero food in the house, no money, and nothign but prayers, who had a bread wagon bust a wheel outside the orphanage, and the person driving came to hte house knockign and asking if they could use the bread? Coincidence? These type accounts go on and on and on and on- Why that day? Why did the wagon bust a wheel directly infront of hte orphanage? Divine intervention? Couldn’t be, right?
[You wrote: “Coincidence at best? Wow- there are literally many htousands of such requests that leave doctors stumped shaking hteir heads- call it what you like- most people do”]
Come on. Every amputee prays that his missing limb will grow back, but not a one has ever grown back. You know that as well as I do. Once in a while, someone who prays or is prayed for is going to have their cancer go into remission. It’s not a miracle when it happens. Bottom line is, if you get seriously ill, pray all you want, but there is no one listening.
[You wrote: “This isn’t true- God’s answer isn’t always “Yes, I’ll Grant you whatever you want whenever you ask for it- God’s answers sometimes are no, and although painful, there are many times when the no answer was the most wise answer- but it surely didn’t feel like it at the time.”]
You really have to contort logic to rationalize that God’s refusal to help you when help is needed is just part of his glorious “plan.” That’s the ultimate rationalization when bad things happen to good people: “It’s God’s will and who are we to question God’s will.” I have more logical answer: There is no one listening to prayers — you are talking to yourself, and if something good does happen, it isn’t because God “granted you one.”
One of the best indications of the fallibility of the Bible is that Jesus is quoted as saying you can obtain anything you want through prayer. You apparently disagree that Jesus said that. I suggest you look again in the Bible at the preposterous claims about prayer that are attributed to Jesus. Whatever you want, it’s yours, if you ask Jesus. Anything at all, according to Jesus. It’s been my experience that, in every football game, one team has always been forsaken.
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