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Evidence of Swimming Dinosaur Found
AP - Science ^ | 2005-10-18 | BOB MOEN

Posted on 10/18/2005 7:19:16 AM PDT by Junior

CHEYENNE, Wyo. - Researchers have found tracks of a previously unknown, two-legged swimming dinosaur with birdlike characteristics in northern Wyoming and are looking for bones and other remains in order further identify and name it.

"It was about the size of an ostrich, and it was a meat-eater," said Debra Mickelson, a University of Colorado graduate student in geological sciences. "The tracks suggest it waded along the shoreline and swam offshore, perhaps to feed on fish or carrion."

The tracks indicate a dinosaur that was about 6 feet tall and lived about 165 million years ago along an ancient inland sea, Mickelson said in a university news release.

"The swimming dinosaur had four limbs and it walked on its hind legs, which each had three toes," she said. "The tracks show how it became more buoyant as it waded into deeper water — the full footprints gradually become half-footprints and then only claw marks."

Mickelson said research so far by herself and others supports the "conclusion that the dinosaurs were intentionally swimming out to sea, perhaps to feed."

Mickelson was presenting her findings at the Geological Society of America's annual meeting this week in Salt Lake City and was unavailable for comment.

The finding would be significant because so far no one has been able to prove that aquatic dinosaurs existed, Joanna Wright, assistant professor of geology at the University of Colorado-Denver, said Monday. There were swimming reptiles that are now extinct, Wright said.

Wright said she has not reviewed what Mickelson and other researchers involved have found, but she would be interested in seeing photos of the tracks.

The news has perked up the ears of some prominent paleontologists.

"I'm not a trackway specialist, but it sounds pretty cool to me," Jack Horner, curator of paleontology at the Museum of the Rockies and one of the nation's leading fossil hunters, said by telephone from Bozeman, Mont.

Horner said he was unaware of any previously discovered dinosaur tracks "where it actually goes from land into the water."

The unique tracks were found at a number of sites in northern Wyoming, including the Bighorn Canyon National Recreation Area along the Wyoming-Montana state line.

The tracks are embedded in a layer of rock known as the Middle Jurassic Bajocian Gypsum Spring Formation. Geologists believe an inland sea covered Wyoming and a large area of the western United States during the Jurassic period from about 157 million to 165 million years ago.

Mickelson said the unidentified dinosaur tracks are found among tracks left by many animals, including ancient crocodiles and marine worms, and are of different sizes.

The tracks suggest that the dinosaur traveled in packs and exhibited some variation in overall size, she said.

Mickelson collaborated her findings with researchers from CU-Boulder, Indiana University, Dartmouth College, Tennessee Technological University and the University of Massachusetts.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Wyoming; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: archaeology; crevolist; dinosaur; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; paleontology
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To: kjam22
Even an uninformed person can list dozens of untested, unproven scientific theories that have been built on over the years.

This may be a bad time to mention my theory; The dinosaur became extinct because they didn't wait 30 minutes after eating before they swam.

121 posted on 10/18/2005 9:42:29 AM PDT by Ghengis (Alexander was a wuss!)
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To: Ghengis

LOL


122 posted on 10/18/2005 9:43:07 AM PDT by kjam22
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123 posted on 10/18/2005 9:43:21 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: Junior
AHA! Actual proof that a dinosaur drowned in Noah's Flood!

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124 posted on 10/18/2005 9:50:23 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: kjam22
So are you saying that you are not 100% certain that a space ship can orbit the earth?

Confidence in the repeatability of observed behavior != theory explaining that observed behavior.

Being 99.99999999999999% certain that dropping a rock will result in the rock falling does nothing to explain how gravity causes the rock to fall in the first place.

125 posted on 10/18/2005 9:52:21 AM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: Texans
Guys.... this has been a really fun morning. I've had a software application running in the background all day. I don't generally get this kind of time to have fun. The debate has been very insightful.... I mean I've learned this morning that a true scientist can't be 100% certain that a spaceship can orbit the earth, because the theory can never be "proven". I guess you can count me out for one of those paid trips some day. I couldn't take a chance on that theory being wrong.... :)

Have a nice day all!

126 posted on 10/18/2005 9:53:15 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: kjam22

"So are you telling us that you're not 100% certain that a space ship can orbit the earth? What percent might you feel comfortable with as your assurance level?"

Not what I said at all. Go read it again.


127 posted on 10/18/2005 9:57:06 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: RogueIsland

Sorry you came in late... I would have like to have visited with you. Gotta go to lunch. Have a great day. I'm going to. I'm going to spend my lunch hour dropping rocks now that I know there's a chance that one might not fall when I let go.


128 posted on 10/18/2005 9:59:45 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: tumblindice
I amuse you? I make you laugh? You think I'm some sort of clown, here for your amusement? http://wikiquote.org/wiki/Joe_Pesci#From_Goodfellas (The foregoing quote has been endorsed by 9 out of ten smart****** and has received numerous awards and junk like that, right Wally? ;-)

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LOL! One of the best. Godfathers I and II are better, but it's a close third.

129 posted on 10/18/2005 10:02:51 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper

Okay, I'll bite.


130 posted on 10/18/2005 10:03:36 AM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: Texans

I did. Read #98. Also, I've explained the difference between facts and theories. Please try to keep up.


131 posted on 10/18/2005 10:09:26 AM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

"That the footprints are 165 million years old.
This footprints went from land into water.
This dinosaur was 6 feet tall.
This dinosaur ate meat.
This dinosaur is an ancester of birds.
This dinosaur was born on a Tuesday."

- According to information provided by Poster #3, they also had flat feet and wore baseball caps.


132 posted on 10/18/2005 10:13:14 AM PDT by finnigan2 (I)
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To: NRA1995

Three-toed... upright... must be it!


133 posted on 10/18/2005 10:15:26 AM PDT by johnny7 (“What now? Let me tell you what now.”)
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To: kjam22; RogueIsland
I wrote:

"There was the Theory of Orbital Mechanics, for which our being able to orbit a ship around the Earth is a great boost but it doesn't prove the Theory of Orbital Mechanics. Our confidence in the theory is excellent, but it can never be 100%."

You replied:

"So are you saying that you are not 100% certain that a space ship can orbit the earth?"

Are you illiterate? I was talking about the Theory of Orbital Mechanics, a subset of gravitational theory, and you rewrite it as the *theory a ship can orbit the Earth*. There IS NO *Theory a space ship can orbit the Earth* in science. There never was.

Then you said,"

"I think if you just ask 1000 americans on the street if it is a proven fact that a spaceship can orbit the earth... well I think 1000 of them would say "duh yeah... we've done that". But maybe they're all wrong? "

I already said that a ship can orbit the Earth, but that THAT doesn't PROVE the current Theory of Orbital Mechanics, though it does give it a boost. You are willfully lying about what I have said.

Then you lie about what RogueIsland said and say he said that the fact of gravity is in dispute,

"I'm going to spend my lunch hour dropping rocks now that I know there's a chance that one might not fall when I let go."

He specifically said that the fact of gravity is different then HOW gravity works (which is the theory of gravity). People knew things fell when you dropped them for milenia; they lacked a theory of how it happened. We know that a ship can orbit the Earth; we are not perfectly sure HOW that happens. In fact, add more than 3 objects and we have a hard time working the math for the orbits.

Typical creationist dishonesty.
134 posted on 10/18/2005 10:22:04 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Junior
Okay, I'll bite.

Tuesdays weren't invented yet. :-)

135 posted on 10/18/2005 10:24:49 AM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it. - George Orwell)
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To: Stultis
I stand corrected on the iguanadon. I could've sworn it had four toes. Well, I learn something new everyday.
136 posted on 10/18/2005 10:26:49 AM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper

137 posted on 10/18/2005 10:29:35 AM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

"Then you lie about what RogueIsland said and say he said that the fact of gravity is in dispute"

You are falling into the same trap when you reference the "fact of gravity".

There is a Theory of Gravity.

Theories can be proven or disproven.

The facts pertain only to the results of the proofing, or tests.

There is no fact of Gravity, the word "fact" only pertains to what we observe in our testing of the hypothesis. If ever there is a test which disproves the current Theory of Gravity, then the theory must be thrown out or modified to include this new information.


138 posted on 10/18/2005 10:51:15 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: Junior

Rush is on...can't talk...


139 posted on 10/18/2005 10:53:53 AM PDT by Texans
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To: Texans

I do understand.


140 posted on 10/18/2005 10:56:52 AM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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