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I wrote:

"There was the Theory of Orbital Mechanics, for which our being able to orbit a ship around the Earth is a great boost but it doesn't prove the Theory of Orbital Mechanics. Our confidence in the theory is excellent, but it can never be 100%."

You replied:

"So are you saying that you are not 100% certain that a space ship can orbit the earth?"

Are you illiterate? I was talking about the Theory of Orbital Mechanics, a subset of gravitational theory, and you rewrite it as the *theory a ship can orbit the Earth*. There IS NO *Theory a space ship can orbit the Earth* in science. There never was.

Then you said,"

"I think if you just ask 1000 americans on the street if it is a proven fact that a spaceship can orbit the earth... well I think 1000 of them would say "duh yeah... we've done that". But maybe they're all wrong? "

I already said that a ship can orbit the Earth, but that THAT doesn't PROVE the current Theory of Orbital Mechanics, though it does give it a boost. You are willfully lying about what I have said.

Then you lie about what RogueIsland said and say he said that the fact of gravity is in dispute,

"I'm going to spend my lunch hour dropping rocks now that I know there's a chance that one might not fall when I let go."

He specifically said that the fact of gravity is different then HOW gravity works (which is the theory of gravity). People knew things fell when you dropped them for milenia; they lacked a theory of how it happened. We know that a ship can orbit the Earth; we are not perfectly sure HOW that happens. In fact, add more than 3 objects and we have a hard time working the math for the orbits.

Typical creationist dishonesty.

"Then you lie about what RogueIsland said and say he said that the fact of gravity is in dispute"

You are falling into the same trap when you reference the "fact of gravity".

There is a Theory of Gravity.

Theories can be proven or disproven.

The facts pertain only to the results of the proofing, or tests.

There is no fact of Gravity, the word "fact" only pertains to what we observe in our testing of the hypothesis. If ever there is a test which disproves the current Theory of Gravity, then the theory must be thrown out or modified to include this new information.

There IS NO *Theory a space ship can orbit the Earth* in science. There never was.

And you know this because?? Because you know every science theory that there ever was first hand? Or because you don't think there was? How can you be so certain to say "there is no". You seem more certain of that than you do that a space ship can circle the earth.

I'm just curious....If a theory hasn't been proved mathematically, but it has been "proved" by test (actually accomplished).... does that mean that the theory isn't proved, or does it mean that we don't understand enough about math to prove it with math?