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German Scientists: Europe's Oldest Script Found In Bulgaria (Minoan)
Sofia News Agency ^ | 5-18-2005

Posted on 05/19/2005 2:56:33 PM PDT by blam

German Scientists: Europe's Oldest Script Found in Bulgaria

Lifestyle: 18 May 2005, Wednesday.

Ancient tablets found in South Bulgaria are written in the oldest European script found ever, German scientists say.

The tablets, unearthed near the Southern town of Kardzhali, are over 35-centuries old, and bear the ancient script of the Cretan (Minoan) civilization, according to scientists from the University of Heidelberg, who examined the foundings. This is the Cretan writing, also known as Linear A script, which dates back to XV-XIV century B.C.

The discovery proves the theory of the Bulgarian archaeologists that the script on the foundings is one of the oldest known to humankind, the archaeologist Nikolay Ovcharov announced Wednesday.

Ovcharov, who is heading the archaeological expedition in the ancient Perperikon complex near Kardzhali, called the discovery "revolutionary". It throws a completely different light on Bulgaria's history, he said in an interview for the National Television.


TOPICS: Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeology; bulgaria; caria; carian; carians; epigraphyandlanguage; europes; found; german; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; hurrians; kardzhali; kreti; lineara; minoan; minoans; oldest; scientists; script
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To: Fedora

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41 posted on 05/20/2005 7:43:34 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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To: blam

I'm not sure what the big deal is. I've been writing Cretin script my entire life.


42 posted on 05/20/2005 7:48:04 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks!--I figured you could find it :-)


43 posted on 05/20/2005 12:03:29 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: monkey

"How would you know if the decipherment is accurate?"

The Ventris decipherment was rejected (actually, before it was made) by Arthur Evans' followers. Evans had insisted that the Minoans hadn't been Greek speakers, and that their written language would bear that out. Blegen went to Pylos hoping to find an archive and found one. Evans' followers immediately claimed the tablets had originated on Crete, but had been carried off by the conquering Greeks.

Then Blegen et applied Ventris' decipherment to the Pylos tablets. :')

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44 posted on 05/21/2005 7:59:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Right; I was referring to Linear A, or any other script where the language is unknown. (A later form of) the underlying language must still be spoken for a decipherment of the written language; Greek for Linear B; Coptic for Egyptian glyphs; a number of Mayan languages are still spoken.

My point is that it is difficult to verify decipherment; there are always issues associated with decipherments, and no decipherment is complete. It's possible to conceive of scripts being deciphered without the spoken language being known, but it would make verification that much more difficult - really impossible by today's standards.

45 posted on 05/22/2005 5:32:39 AM PDT by monkey
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To: monkey
(A later form of) the underlying language must still be spoken for a decipherment of the written language
OTOH, Sumerian is a completely dead language. Even the existence of that people was unsuspected. Cuneiform had however been adapted for use by quite a number of languages, and had itself been cracked using Akkadian-era Assyrian texts; Assyrian being from the Semitic family of languages, modern versions being still spoken.

Unknown languages written in cuneiform can be pronounced; in at least one case, an otherwise unknown language, found on a single tablet in the Amarna archive, was deciphered using other Amarna tablets. Could be the best example of the cracking of a dead language using a very small body of extant texts.
46 posted on 05/22/2005 7:12:45 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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missed one:

Quarry, Setting and Team Marks: The Carian Connection
University of Leiden (Netherlands) | 1998 | (about) Sheldon Lee Gosline
Posted on 10/08/2004 3:20:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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47 posted on 05/22/2005 7:18:23 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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Crete: isle of the dead?
by Philip Coppens
Linear A and B are two scripts of Crete. The newer Linear B was deciphered in 1953 by Michael Ventras and turned out to be Greek. In 1971, Dutch archaeologist and historian Jan Best claimed he had deciphered Linear A and had found a connection between Minoan Crete and the Hyksos. Linear A, he argued, was Semitic, related to the languages of Ugarit and Alalach in Syria.
see also messaage 32.

48 posted on 08/16/2005 8:15:42 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: blam

How on earth did the Minoan tablet get to Bulgaria?


49 posted on 08/16/2005 8:17:31 AM PDT by SuziQ
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50 posted on 11/17/2008 6:35:10 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, October 11, 2008 !!!)
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51 posted on 12/25/2015 6:36:33 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Interesting Crete tie in. Atlantis?


52 posted on 12/25/2015 6:39:20 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ ("It gets late early around here..." Yogi)
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To: AnAmericanMother

“...the Egyptian tourist board”

If Hawas is involved it requires a truck load of salt.


53 posted on 12/25/2015 6:43:19 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ ("It gets late early around here..." Yogi)
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To: SunkenCiv

Did you find any new info on this find. I briefly googled it but nothing jumped out except this:

http://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-europe/danube-valley-civilisation-script-oldest-writing-world-001343


54 posted on 12/25/2015 6:47:09 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ ("It gets late early around here..." Yogi)
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Note: this topic is from 05/19/2005. A re-ping. Thanks blam.

55 posted on 05/30/2018 5:11:52 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: mad_as_he$$
Thanks mad_as_he$$, I haven't, but otoh, I didn't remember giving this the old reping three years ago, either. :^)
In her Plato Prehistorian: 10,000 to 5000 B.C. Myth, Religion, Archaeology, Mary Settegast reproduces a table which shows four runic character sets; a is Upper Paleolithic (found among the cave paintings), b is Indus Valley script, c is Greek (western branch), and d is the Scandinavian runic alphabet.
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56 posted on 05/30/2018 5:22:18 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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