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Super Volcano Will Challenge Civilization, Geologists Warn
SPACE.com ^ | March 8, 2005 | Robert Roy Britt

Posted on 03/08/2005 4:16:02 AM PST by AntiGuv

The eruption of a super volcano "sooner or later" will chill the planet and threaten human civilization, British scientists warned Tuesday.

And now the bad news: There's not much anyone can do about it.

Several volcanoes around the world are capable of gigantic eruptions unlike anything witnessed in recorded history, based on geologic evidence of past events, the scientists said. Such eruptions would dwarf those of Mount St. Helens, Krakatoa, Pinatubo and anything else going back dozens of millennia.

"Super-eruptions are up to hundreds of times larger than these," said Stephen Self of the United Kingdom’s (U.K.) Open University.

"An area the size of North America can be devastated, and pronounced deterioration of global climate would be expected for a few years following the eruption," Self said. "They could result in the devastation of world agriculture, severe disruption of food supplies, and mass starvation. These effects could be sufficiently severe to threaten the fabric of civilization."

Self and his colleagues at the Geological Society of London presented their report to the U.K. Government's Natural Hazard Working Group.

"Although very rare these events are inevitable, and at some point in the future humans will be faced with dealing with and surviving a super eruption," Stephen Sparks of the University of Bristol told LiveScience in advance of Tuesday's announcement.

Supporting evidence

The warning is not new. Geologists in the United States detailed a similar scenario in 2001, when they found evidence suggesting volcanic activity in Yellowstone National Park will eventually lead to a colossal eruption. Half the United States will be covered in ash up to 3 feet (1 meter) deep, according to a study published in the journal Earth and Planetary Science Letters.

Explosions of this magnitude "happen about every 600,000 years at Yellowstone," says Chuck Wicks of the U.S. Geological Survey, who has studied the possibilities in separate work. "And it's been about 620,000 years since the last super explosive eruption there."

Past volcanic catastrophes at Yellowstone and elsewhere remain evident as giant collapsed basins called calderas.

A super eruption is a scaled up version of a typical volcanic outburst, Sparks explained. Each is caused by a rising and growing chamber of hot molten rock known as magma.

"In super eruptions the magma chamber is huge," Sparks said. The eruption is rapid, occurring in a matter of days. "When the magma erupts the overlying rocks collapse into the chamber, which has reduced its pressure due to the eruption. The collapse forms the huge crater."

The eruption pumps dust and chemicals into the atmosphere for years, screening the Sun and cooling the planet. Earth is plunged into a perpetual winter, some models predict, causing plant and animal species disappear forever.

"The whole of a continent might be covered by ash, which might take many years -- possibly decades -- to erode away and for vegetation to recover," Sparks said.

Yellowstone may be winding down geologically, experts say. But they believe it harbors at least one final punch. Globally, there are still plenty of possibilities for super volcano eruptions, even as Earth quiets down over the long haul of its 4.5-billion-year existence.

"The Earth is of course losing energy, but at a very slow rate, and the effects are only really noticeable over billions rather than millions of years," Sparks said.

Human impact

The odds of a globally destructive volcano explosion in any given century are extremely low, and no scientist can say when the next one will occur. But the chances are five to 10 times greater than a globally destructive asteroid impact, according to the new British report.

The next super eruption, whenever it occurs, might not be the first one humans have dealt with.

About 74,000 years ago, in what is now Sumatra, a volcano called Toba blew with a force estimated at 10,000 times that of Mount St. Helens. Ash darkened the sky all around the planet. Temperatures plummeted by up to 21 degrees at higher latitudes, according to research by Michael Rampino, a biologist and geologist at New York University.

Rampino has estimated three-quarters of the plant species in the Northern Hemisphere perished.

Stanley Ambrose, an anthropologist at the University of Illinois, suggested in 1998 that Rampino's work might explain a curious bottleneck in human evolution: The blueprints of life for all humans -- DNA -- are remarkably similar given that our species branched off from the rest of the primate family tree a few million years ago.

Ambrose has said early humans were perhaps pushed to the edge of extinction after the Toba eruption -- around the same time folks got serious about art and tool making. Perhaps only a few thousand survived. Humans today would all be descended from these few, and in terms of the genetic code, not a whole lot would change in 74,000 years.

Sitting ducks

Based on the latest evidence, eruptions the size of the giant Yellowstone and Toba events occur at least every 100,000 years, Sparks said, "and it could be as high as every 50,000 years. There are smaller but nevertheless huge eruptions which would have continental to global consequences every 5,000 years or so."

Unlike other threats to mankind -- asteroids, nuclear attacks and global warming to name a few -- there's little to be done about a super volcano.

"While it may in future be possible to deflect asteroids or somehow avoid their impact, even science fiction cannot produce a credible mechanism for averting a super eruption," the new report states. "No strategies can be envisaged for reducing the power of major volcanic eruptions."

The Geological Society of London has issued similar warnings going back to 2000. The scientists this week called for more funding to investigate further the history of super eruptions and their likely effects on the planet and on modern society.

"Sooner or later a super eruption will happen on Earth and this issue also demands serious attention," the report concludes.


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To: TonyRo76
Actually, I do believe the fossil evidence points to a global catastrophe involving water...

You can "believe" anything you wish about the fossil evidence, but in actual fact the fossil evidence most certainly does *not* "point to a global catastrophe involving water". Almost every prediction of the "global flood hypothesis" is easily falsified by the fossil evidence, and other lines of evidence.

See for example: The Geologic Column and its Implications for the Flood . This was written by a former young-earth creationist, by the way. He graduated from a creationist college, but then when he got out into the real world and actually started working with the geologic column as a geologist, he quickly realized that he had been lied to by the creationists and that the reality quite simply did not match what he had been taught. And he has written a lot more on that topic. He was intellectually honest and could admit when his earlier beliefs were wrong, as compared against multiple reality-checks.

101 posted on 03/08/2005 3:35:10 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon

[Thunderous applause!]


102 posted on 03/08/2005 4:23:37 PM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: bert

One day I was visiting my gal in Cody. You know, the one that has a daughter that approves who her mother dates (not me!). Anyway, while hiking with four others we saw a Grizzley sow and two cubs.

The wind was blowing from left to right as we looked at her.

Despite all of us having rifles and pistols, it was a fearful yet thrilling experience. Just west of Cody you can't go jogging, unless you can outrun a bear; or don't care if you can't.


103 posted on 03/08/2005 8:09:01 PM PST by Loud Mime (Let them know: go to thotline dot com)
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To: AntiGuv

It's always something.


104 posted on 03/08/2005 8:10:35 PM PST by Constitution Day ("Marsa Stert is a britch and and I sit on the exhange")
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To: AntiGuv
Super Volcano Will Challenge Civilization, Geologists Warn

I guess "challenge" is the politically correct term for "totally destroy."

105 posted on 03/08/2005 8:14:29 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: AntiGuv; All

I thought we have a stargate that will allow us to go to another planet if something like this happens.


106 posted on 03/08/2005 8:15:24 PM PST by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: AntiGuv

Can't we just send Hillary Swank to the core to stop this kind of thing?


107 posted on 03/08/2005 8:17:18 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: AntiGuv

Interesting map there!


108 posted on 03/08/2005 8:20:39 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: AntiGuv

I'd rather die in a super-volcano than to die of heart disease. Bring it on...and pass the prime rib.


109 posted on 03/08/2005 8:25:06 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: bert

The underground heat is already killing the trees out there ... been there, seen it! [Hi bert; hope you're well!]


110 posted on 03/08/2005 8:30:48 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: TonyRo76

If you are a Christian by grace and you really believe it, you would not have to reject modern science to feel saved.


111 posted on 03/09/2005 5:27:06 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Centurion2000
More like it will wipe civilization off the map in the affected area. When Tomu [sic] erupted the estimates were that about 70,000 humans survived worldwide.

If the Yellowstone Caldera does erupt you might as well kiss off almost all life in North America, period. In addition, the global cooling from such an eruption will so severely disrupt the food supply that we could end up with the human population reduced to 20% or less of its current numbers.

112 posted on 03/09/2005 6:51:08 AM PST by RayChuang88
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To: TonyRo76

Nonsense. It is the Bible literalists who indulge in sophistry. Science is based on data and evidence.

I have no idea what your point is as far as "tangible matter". Science does not concern itself with the spiritual because it is outside the realm of empirical evidence.

Accusing science of being religion is twisted illogic at its best.


114 posted on 03/09/2005 12:25:51 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: AntiGuv
"An area the size of North America can be devastated ... ... could result in the devastation of world agriculture, severe disruption of food supplies, and mass starvation. These effects could be sufficiently severe to threaten the fabric of civilization."

On that last conclusion, I'd have to say "master of the obvious."

115 posted on 03/09/2005 12:28:25 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: AntiGuv

No problem.

What we do is dig a canal from the ocean to the volcano, and then flood the thing with seawater to cool it off.

Afterwards we change Yellowstone into a beach resort with saltwater hotsprings.


116 posted on 03/09/2005 12:31:28 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: AntiGuv

More Darwinist claptrap.


117 posted on 03/09/2005 12:33:19 PM PST by balch3
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To: AntiGuv

"The eruption of a super volcano "sooner or later" will chill the planet and threaten human civilization,"

Well, I'm not worried about that. We'll have global warming to keep us warm! We should all buy more SUV's to help protect us.


118 posted on 03/09/2005 12:33:43 PM PST by pnome
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To: Phsstpok
A volcanic island collapse will have several orders of magnitude more inherent and kinetic energy involved than any earthquake ever envisioned.

On what do you base this assertion? If you are referring to a mild earthquake, maybe. But when you are talking about a 9.0 on the richter scale earthquake, I think that you are wrong. A volcanic island collapse (and we are not talking about a total collapse with Cumbre Vieja) is a localized event involving a relatively finite volume of dirt and rocks that slide, with varying degrees of speed, into the sea. Now, if you really believe that that can compete with forces that are global in scale, involving the earth's tectonic plates, for 750 miles 1000's of feet deep of water were displaced vertically by as much as 30 feet? For heavens sake, it caused the world alter its natural wobble about its axis. It has permanently changed the length of a day. It caused waves to circumnavigate the globe several times. It caused islands to change their latitude and longitude. Are you seriously suggesting that a partial collapse of Cumbre Vieja would produce effects even remotely comparable to this (let alone dwarf the effects of the Indian Ocean tsunami?

Like you, I am not a geophysicist or geologist, but I am an engineer who has studied enough science and physics to form the conclusion that Simon Day's thesis of the effects of Cumbre Vieja is not believable, even in the slightest.

Also, I did not make unsourced claims. I immediately posted a link to the Tsunami Society, which dismisses Simon Day and the Discovery Channel.

but earthquake generated tsunami's are limited by the maximum vertical displacement of the earthquake.

I think that you understate the effect of earthquake-based tsunamis, much as Simon Day and those who believe with him. The potential devatsating effects of a tsunami are not determined just by the maximum vertical displacement. I saw that claim in the Discovery Channel special with Simon Day. They seem to follow the theory that the tsunami produced by an earthquake can only produce a wave as big as the vertical displacement of the water. This suggests to me a fundamental lack of understanding about tsunamis. The thing about tsunamis is the energy that they represent, not the height of the wave at any point. For instance, most tsunamis present themselves as a fairly small wave as the wave moves across the ocean, yet the power of that tsunami is not realized until it approaches shallower waters. To suggest that an earthquake generated by a sub-marine plate that rises from the ocean floor by, say, 30 feet completely ignores the depth of the ocean and the amount of water that is actually thrust upwards. To say that the wave is limited to 30 feet is to almost completely miss the most important factor in a tsunami... the potential energy that has been converted from plate stress to a lateral pressure wave of water where the amplitude of the wave is a fairly unimportant. For example, you could have a massive earthquake where the sea floor only raises a foot or two, but if happens at a depth of, say, 10,000 feet and the surface rises by a foot or two, then that should generate a much more powerful tsunami than one where the sea floor rises higher but at a shallower depth of water. The strength of the tsunami is proportional to the amount of water displaced, and that is a funtion of the depth of the sea where the sea floor rose. You also must factor in the length of the plate boundary where the earthquake occurred, in the case of the Indian Ocean, about 750 miles. If the Indian Ocean quake had been more of a point event, it would likely have been a much less devastating event. A point event, like a landslide-generated tsunami, produces more of a circularly radiating wave, which means that the energy dissipates in an inverse-square function. In other words, it cannot keep the same potential devastation regardless of the distance from the source because the area grows accordin g to the square of the radius. In the case of the Indian Ocean tsunami, the event was not a point event, it was a line event, and the resulting energy propagated mostly in an east-west fashion due to the north-south line of the tectonic plate boundary. This resulted in a largely linear propagation of the energy, rather than a radial propagation (as would happen with La Palma), and therefore the energy did not dissipate so much due to distance. It is a highly simplistic approach to say that because a landslide-based tsunami would generate a larger (probably much larger) surface wave at the source, that that compares with a much smaller wave at the source generated by a deep-ocean sea floor rise earthquake. Though it may be a larger wave at the surface, its not the height of the wave, its the energy behind the wave.

These principles of physics are largely ignored by the theories I have read. I have read Simon Day's paper that was the basis of the Discovery Channel. I found that he ignored these physical principles. He seemed to assume that a wave of one particular height could be compared with a much different wave of a lesser surface height (but much greater depth) as apples to apples. They are not.

Believe what you want. I can read both sides and decide to chose one over the other. By the way, I am quite capable of googling. And I did do a Google search prior to my post. Just because you disagree with me, you don't have to belittle my argument. Please state what YOU actually believe and discuss the details rather than just say that there are people who believe both ways.
119 posted on 03/09/2005 12:40:14 PM PST by AaronInCarolina
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To: AntiGuv
One thing provable and certain....
Humans just love a good story, yarn or even claptrap...
You can take that to the bank...

If there is a human left on earth, he will spin a yarn...
To impress the other idiot he is talking to..

120 posted on 03/09/2005 1:19:06 PM PST by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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