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Darwinism to Face Scrutiny in Ohio and Minnesota
family ^ | 02.26.04

Posted on 02/27/2004 5:55:40 PM PST by Coleus

State News

February 26, 2004

Darwinism to Face Scrutiny
by Sonja Swiatkiewicz, state issues analyst

Ohio and Minnesota have the opportunity to make a difference in how Darwinism is taught to schoolchildren.

Ohio made history in December 2002 when its state Board of Education approved changes to public school science standards requiring students to be tested on their understanding of evidence for and against Darwinism.

Just over a year later, Ohio again stands at a crossroads of sorts, while its school board seeks to establish a model curriculum to implement 2002's changes. Minnesota, likewise, has come to a place of decision — whether or not to follow in Ohio's footsteps in the teaching of Darwinism.

The Ohio school board voted 13-4 on Feb. 10 in a preliminary vote to accept "Set A" of the model science curriculum -- the curriculum that will be sent to each district to guide teachers in how the new science standards should be implemented in the classroom. "Set A" includes 42 individual lessons that deal with potentially "controversial" topics; nine of them (those slated for grade 10 life sciences) discuss evolutionary theory.

Only one of the 42, however, seeks to include the "critical analysis" of Darwinism that is now required to be taught — and that's where the rubber meets the road.

Fiercely protective pro-Darwinists are attempting to derail the new science standards before kids in the classroom ever reap the benefits of this dramatic change in policy. Critics have claimed that the "Critical Analysis of Evolution" lesson mandates the teaching of Intelligent Design.

In fact, the "Critical Analysis" lesson supports the new requirement that students be able to "describe how scientists continue to investigate and critically analyze aspects of evolutionary theory." Students will be taught that theories are tentative explanations that are subject to modification as continued experimentation demands; the differences between microevolution and macroevolution; and guided to examine the various lines of evidence for and against the theory of a common ancestry (macroevolution).

While the board had already indicated its support of "Set A" in its entirety, Darwinists are applying pressure to the board members to convince them to remove their support. A final, binding vote will be taken during the board's meeting March 8-9.

A few states away, Minnesota's Legislature is grappling with making initial changes to the state's science standards. Four members of the science standard writing committee have submitted a "minority" report, urging the Legislature to accept two standards that mirror Ohio's.

These two standards will lay the groundwork for Minnesota's schoolchildren to be taught critical analysis of evolution — which has been specifically encouraged by the No Child Left Behind Act conference report.

But first, the "minority report" must be accepted into the recommendations to be sent to the full House and Senate.

Those who support a balanced presentation of Darwinism, the evidence for and against macroevolution, must make their voices heard. The type of science education Ohio and Minnesota's kids receive is dependent on board members and legislators knowing concerned citizens care about the unbiased teaching of evolution.

TAKE ACTION

Ohio

Please contact the board members who voted in favor of the "Set A" curriculum to thank them for their support and encourage them to vote in favor of "Set A" on Mar. 8 or 9. Please contact them by March 5.

Richard E. Baker (Hollansburg), 937-548-2246

Virgil E. Brown, Jr. (Cleveland Heights), 216-851-3304, Virgil.Brown@ode.state.oh.us

Michael Cochran (Blacklick), 614-864-2338, ota@ohiotownships.org

Jim Craig (Canton), 330-492-5533, Jim.Craig@ode.state.oh.us

John W. Griffin (West Carrollton), P.O. Box 49201, West Carrollton, OH 45449-0201

Stephen M. Millett (Columbus), 614-424-5335

Deborah Owens Fink (Richfield), 330-972-8079, deb@uakron.edu

Emerson J. Ross, Jr. (Toledo), 419-248-8315

Jennifer L. Sheets (Pomeroy), 740-992-2151, Jennifer.Sheets@ode.state.oh.us

Jo Ann Thatcher (McDermott), 740-858-3300

James L. Turner (Cincinatti), 513-287-3232, jturner@cinergy.com

Sue Westendorf (Bowling Green), 419-352-2908, sue.westendo@ode.state.oh.us

Carl Wick (Centerville), 937-433-1352, carl.wick@ode.state.oh.us

Please politely urge the four board members who voted against "Set A" to reconsider and vote in support. Please contact them by Mar. 5.

Robin C. Hovis (Millersburg), 330-674-5000, Robin.Hovis@ode.state.oh.us

Cyrus B. Richardson, Jr. (Bethel), 513-734-6700, Cyrus.Richards@ode.state.oh.us

G.R. "Sam" Schloemer (Cincinnati), 513-821-4145, Sam.Schloemer@ode.state.oh.us

Jennifer Stewart (Zanesville), 740-452-4558, Jennifer.Stewart@ode.state.oh.us

Two members were absent for the Feb. 10 meeting, and should be politely contacted as well.

Virginia E. Jacobs (Lima), 419-999-4219, Virginia.Jacobs@ode.state.oh.us

Martha W. Wise (Avon) 440-934-4935, Martha.Wise@doe.state.oh.us

In addition, please contact Gov. Bob Taft and tell him you support the teaching of critical analysis of evolution. For contact information for Gov. Taft, visit our CitizenLink Action Center.

Minnesota

Please contact the chairpersons of the House and Senate Education Policy Committees, Rep. Barbara Sykora and Sen. Steve Kelley, and urge them to accept the "minority report."

In addition, please contact your own representative and senator and politely urge them to support the critical analysis of evolution when it comes to a vote.

Also, please contact Gov. Tim Pawlenty and urge his support for teaching the evidence for and against evolution. Contact information for Gov. Pawlenty is available through our CitizenLink Action Center.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; US: Minnesota; US: Ohio
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To: qam1
Really than how come that "Massive Universal" flood didn't also pile dinosaur (or any other) bones in the Adirondack Mountains in New York?

There are compelling reasons for the lack of new fossils in old mountains, at least for people who assume that some mountains are indeed much, much older than some others. People who advocate "alternative science" that discards any meaningful explanation of such things don't know or care what they're throwing away.

Flood Geology typically ignores questions for which its answers are arbitrary and whimsical. "Because the dino and mammal fossils got piled up elsewhere, that's why!"

I hate that about all quack science, not just Flood Geology. People who push theories that the pyramids were erected by space aliens in 10,000 BC or whatever have no idea how much good Egyptology they're trying to discard.

101 posted on 02/28/2004 1:05:27 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
YOU, Vade, I will not discuss anything with. Remember that I am either bi-polar, or schizophrenic because I trust the Omniscient, Omnipotent, Loving, Just, Righteous, Almighty, Holy God who created the universe.

I can't be trusted. :o)

Peace, Vade. There's still time to come to the truth.

Seek the LORD while He may be found; call on Him while He is near.
Let the wicked forsake his way and the evil man his thoughts.
Let him turn to the LORD, and He will have mercy on Him
and to our God, for He will freely pardon.
For MY thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways MY ways, declares the LORD.
As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are MY ways higher than your ways, and MY thoughts than your thoughts........Isaiah 55: 6-8

God's Word.

102 posted on 02/28/2004 1:10:31 PM PST by ohioWfan (A GREAT MAN RESIDES IN THE WHITE HOUSE. THIS IS WHY HE IS HATED. THIS IS WHY HE WILL WIN! -DPrager)
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To: js1138
Cute.
103 posted on 02/28/2004 1:11:07 PM PST by ohioWfan (A GREAT MAN RESIDES IN THE WHITE HOUSE. THIS IS WHY HE IS HATED. THIS IS WHY HE WILL WIN! -DPrager)
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To: Betaille
This is THE most idiotic line of reasoning we must endure from the anti-darwinists ..'It's just a theory'.

Well, 'price theory' is just a theory, should we teach economics students biblical economics? Relativity Theory is just a theory, should we teach our astronomy students that the earth is the center of the universe as the Catholic church claimed? Thermodynamics is just a theory, should we teach students an alternative bible-based version of the conservation of energy (perhaps we should inform scientists that if they are welcome to ignore these theories if they can somehow invoke Gods power but I'll let you decide if you want to fly in an aircraft designed by an engineer making such a claim.)

Fundamentalist religious fanatics like to take advantage of the predisposition of Scientists to avoid making unconditional truth statements (since scientists understand the Popperian concept of falsification). Scientist don't say things like 'X is a fact' they make probabilistic statements 'X has a high likelihood of being true'. Scientist posit logically based causal explanations for empirical observations -- these are called theories--but recognize these explanations may be disproved. The logically based causal explanations for empirical observations (or theories) that can withstand repeated attempts a falsification become the 'dominant paradigm' (to use Kuhn's term) or the 'accepted standard' approach within the discipline. The adherence to these paradigms, though sometimes stubborn, is not dogmatic and is sensitive to empirical evidence (witness the shift from Newtonian physics to Einstein's relativity following the famous Eclipse experiment).

Religious fundamentalists (who are not so averse to making unalloyed 'truth' claims when those claims are rooted in scripture) like to use the small opening left by normal scientific skepticism to argue that because the scientific world can't claim 'absolute certainty' then it must make room for their pet superstitions.

It is very ironic that while the forces of the west engage in a titanic struggle against Islamic fundamentalist forces that would subsume enlightenment reason to the doctrine of Islamic rule, we must endure attack on reason at home from equally intolerant Christian fundamentalist quarters.

I sure hope the forces of the secular scientific world can get their political act together before Christian and Islamic fundamentalist drive the whole world into a new dark ages.
104 posted on 02/28/2004 1:38:38 PM PST by Pitchfork
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To: ohioWfan
I'm referring to the One true God.

So you claim. Unfortunately, your "One true God" conflicts with the "One true God" claimed by adherents of other religions. Why should I believe you and not them? Why should any of your religious beliefs be given weight when considering scientific explanations when, as you've said, you can't demonstrate them?
105 posted on 02/28/2004 1:46:20 PM PST by Dimensio (I gave you LIFE! I -- AAAAAAAAH!)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
I thank God that He sees fit to use evolutionists to my advantage.

arrogant

\Ar"ro*gant\, a. [F. arrogant, L. arrogans, p. pr. of arrogare. See Arrogate.] 1. Making, or having the disposition to make, exorbitant claims of rank or estimation; giving one's self an undue degree of importance; assuming; haughty; -- applied to persons.

106 posted on 02/28/2004 1:53:38 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (LWS - Legislating While Stupid. Someone should make this illegal.)
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To: Jeff Gordon
Yes indeed. Their arrogance works to my advantage, too. Thanks for reminding me.
107 posted on 02/28/2004 1:59:47 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: VadeRetro
Yeah, I don't know how you do it posting here all the time, I can only post a couple at a time and then I have to go elsewhere before I lose my patience and end up getting banned.

But the lack of fossils in the Adirondacks doesn't make sense in terms of Noah's Flood because while there is no fossils in the Adirondacks, The valleys (Lake Champlain, Hudson, St. Lawarence)around them which are only about 20 feet to 150 feet above sea level do contain them. So why would animals sit around up to 40 days in a valley being flooded when they have 1,000 - 5,000+ foot mountains right in front of them. Plus then as now I assume there were plants on the mountains so where are the plant fossils? And ... Oh nevermind, It's just mindboggling what people choose to believe

108 posted on 02/28/2004 2:01:18 PM PST by qam1 (Are Republicans the party of Reagan or the party of Bloomberg and Pataki?)
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To: ohioWfan
I just got home from seeing The Passion of the Christ, [snip]

Get a grip, it's just a movie.

109 posted on 02/28/2004 2:04:25 PM PST by balrog666 (Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.)
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To: Dimensio
Why should I believe you and not them?

Because the God I believe in reached down into human history, and sacrificed His life for the forgiveness of our sins. All the other religions of the world are man's attempts to reach God. Christianity is God, in love, reaching down to us. All the other 'prophets' are dead and in the ground. Jesus is alive, and sitting at the right hand of God the Father.

I'm not going to convince you, Dimensio, and nothing I say will be adequate because you are predisposed to disagree with my sources, and belittle my faith.

But let me leave you finally with this. The Scripture is my ultimate source, and everything 'scientific' must be weighed against it. Science is imperfect, but God's word is not. Human understanding of what God has said may be imperfect (as it obviously has been in the past), but God's word is true.... every word of it. And though Christians may interpret the Creation story differently, I will always interpret it as it is written.

If I'm wrong, I'll find out when I meet the Creator, but I'm not going to find out here and now from you, or anyone else here. And for me, right here, and right now, the truth of Genesis is foundational to everything else in the Scripture. It is not the guesswork of humanity. It is the beginning of the story of God's love for me, and for you.

110 posted on 02/28/2004 2:04:30 PM PST by ohioWfan (A GREAT MAN RESIDES IN THE WHITE HOUSE. THIS IS WHY HE IS HATED. THIS IS WHY HE WILL WIN! -DPrager)
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To: qam1
I can only post a couple at a time and then I have to go elsewhere before I lose my patience and end up getting banned.

There are people who think I need to do what you do. ;)

111 posted on 02/28/2004 2:04:38 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: balrog666
The movie is about the story of the love, redemption and sacrifice of the VERY GOD of Gods for you and for me.

It is a human depiction, for sure, but what it tells is what really happened.

I know this Jesus. He has saved me from sin, and given me eternal life. Were I the only person on earth.......or were you........Jesus would have suffered and died for our redemption.

Read the Gospels. That's what the movie is about. Gospel.......GOOD news.

112 posted on 02/28/2004 2:08:17 PM PST by ohioWfan (A GREAT MAN RESIDES IN THE WHITE HOUSE. THIS IS WHY HE IS HATED. THIS IS WHY HE WILL WIN! -DPrager)
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To: qam1
But the lack of fossils in the Adirondacks doesn't make sense in terms of Noah's Flood because while there is no fossils in the Adirondacks, The valleys (Lake Champlain, Hudson, St. Lawarence)around them which are only about 20 feet to 150 feet above sea level do contain them.

Not to mention that other mountain ranges--which are what you and I would call "newer" ones--also contain dinosaur and even mammal fossils within their sediments.

The key, of course, is that once you warp the sediments into mountains, deposition is over. Erosion begins. Your Adirondacks are part of the same major system as my Alleghenies: the Appalachians. If you can find a fossil later than the Permian, about 250 million years ago, it's a miracle.

113 posted on 02/28/2004 2:10:45 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Could you explain what personal advantages "they" and "God" are so kindly providing to you?
114 posted on 02/28/2004 2:14:32 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (LWS - Legislating While Stupid. Someone should make this illegal.)
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To: ohioWfan
The Scripture is my ultimate source, and everything 'scientific' must be weighed against it.

Very good. Tell me, what do you think of the anti-scriptural theory of the solar system? That is, do you believe, as the bible teaches, that the earth doesn't move, and the sun moves around the earth? To put my question in context, here are a few geocentric passages from scripture, King James version. The first two, from Ecclesiastes and Joshua, were used in Galileo's heresy trial. (Source: The Galileo Affair, by Maurice A. Finocchiaro, University of California Press, 1989.) I'm not certain if the other verses were also used as evidence against Galileo, but they speak for themselves:

Ecclesiastes:
1:5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose. [Clear, unambiguous description of the sun's orbit around the earth.]

Joshua:
10:12 Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
10:14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel.

1st Chronicles:
16:30 Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.

Psalms:
93:1 The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.
96:10 Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.
104:5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be re-moved for ever.


115 posted on 02/28/2004 2:16:56 PM PST by PatrickHenry (A compassionate evolutionist.)
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To: Jeff Gordon; ohioWfan
Could you explain what personal advantages "they" and "God" are so kindly providing to you?

Sure, at least in a general way.

Those who adhere to the Theory of Evolution are working to my advantage in bringing forth scientific knowledge that can be applied in businesses which in turn supply goods and services I enjoy every day. Unwittingly they labor under the hand of God and serve the rest of us.

As for God Himself, he has seen fit to arrange history in such a way that I enjoy great blessings in this life - not only the above, but also the certain knowledge that all things will work together for my good, no matter now cruel they may appear on the surface.

Now, would you please be so kind as to explain to me what social benefits have been derived from allowing only the Theory of Evolution to be taught in our schools? Also, please explain to me why I should not ascribe "arrogance" to the assertion that their world view is the only valid one for the classroom.

116 posted on 02/28/2004 2:27:30 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: ohioWfan
Because the God I believe in reached down into human history, and sacrificed His life for the forgiveness of our sins.

So you claim. WHY SHOULD I BELIEVE YOU!?

All the other religions of the world are man's attempts to reach God.

I can't claim to have studied "all" of the other religions in the world, but I've studied enough to know that this is at least false for one of them (Buddhism). Your sweeping generalization isn't quite as accurate as you intended.

But let me leave you finally with this. The Scripture is my ultimate source, and everything 'scientific' must be weighed against it.

Why? What makes this book beyond reproach? Why is its authority unquestionable?

Science is imperfect, but God's word is not.

You've not even demonstrated that any "God" exists, much less givine evidence that you have its word anywhere. Why does your assertion that is devoid of evidence trump observed reality?
117 posted on 02/28/2004 2:28:05 PM PST by Dimensio (I gave you LIFE! I -- AAAAAAAAH!)
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To: Nebullis
Before bunching the Ohio educators into the completely wacko group I checked out the standards here. It provides some relief; it's not as bad as the creationists make it sound in the article above. But this constant wittling away at science by ignorant politicians is a terrible trend.

Nebullis, I think you're looking at the Standards and the Indicators that were passed by Ohio in 2002. What they voted on recently was the curriculum that was developed later to follow the Standards. The original Standards document is pretty good, IMO. It contained a specific disclaimer that it was not meant to include any discussion of Intelligent Design. But it also called for a curriculum unit on "Critical Analyses of Evolution". You can see a discussion of the resulting curriculum unit (and also links to the document) over here. They're trying to sneak in references to ID and creationism and the negative moral implications of "Darwinism" by way of their recommended links at the end of the curriculum.

(The creationists on the Ohio Board of Ed. are a slippery, sneaky bunch of politicians.)

118 posted on 02/28/2004 2:28:47 PM PST by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Now, would you please be so kind as to explain to me what social benefits have been derived from allowing only the Theory of Evolution to be taught in our schools?

What schools are "only" teaching the Theory of Evolution? I learned much more than that -- why, I had seperate classes for mathematics, world history, US history, English usage and literature...
119 posted on 02/28/2004 2:29:06 PM PST by Dimensio (I gave you LIFE! I -- AAAAAAAAH!)
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To: PatrickHenry
Get back to me when you stop saying that the sun rises and sets......

Oh.....and that passage in Joshua. I believe it.

In the meantime, please don't post to me with any more feeble attempts to entrap, OK?

120 posted on 02/28/2004 2:32:41 PM PST by ohioWfan (A GREAT MAN RESIDES IN THE WHITE HOUSE. THIS IS WHY HE IS HATED. THIS IS WHY HE WILL WIN! -DPrager)
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