Posted on 12/10/2003 5:37:14 PM PST by blam
Romans in Brazil During the Second or Third Century?
Ex-marine and underwater explorer/archaeologist/treasure-hunter Robert Marx states rather flatly:
Amongst my most notable discover[ies] was that of a 2nd century BC Roman shipwreck in the Bay of Guanabara, near Rio de Janeiro. This is a discovery that has received little to no examination, much less validation, from the realm of mainstream archaeology, no doubt in part because Marx is not a Ph.D. archaeologist. Scouring the web for more information about this finding, I did find a reference to the discovery in an article from Dr. Elizabeth Lyding Will, an expert on Roman amphoras (clay vessels used to store and ship goods during the Roman era). Dr. Will apparently has a piece of an amphora recovered from Marx's Brazil discovery. Of it, she says:
The highly publicized amphoras Robert Marx found in the ship are in fact similar in shape to jars produced in kilns at Kouass, on the west coast of Morocco. The Rio jars look to be late versions of those jars, perhaps datable to the third century A.D. I have a large piece of one of the Rio jars, but no labs I have consulted have any clay similar in composition. So the edges of the earth for Rome, beyond India and Scotland and eastern Europe, remain shrouded in mystery. Information about this find is practically non existent. Gary Fretz's synopsis of the "whole story" suggests that the find has been suppressed by the Brazilian government:
At the time the amphorae were confirmed to be "Roman", the large Italian faction in Brazil were extremely excited about this news. The Italian ambassador to Brazil notified the Brazilian government that, since the Romans were the first to "discover" Brazil, then all Italian immigrants should be granted immediate citizenship. There are a large number of Italian immigrants in Brazil and the government has created a tedious and costly citizenship application procedure for Italians that does not apply to Portuguese immigrants. The Brazilian government would not give in and the Italians in Brazil staged demonstrations. In response, the Brazilian government ordered all civilians off the recovery project and censored further news about the wreck hoping to diffuse the civil unrest. Finally, I've also seen mention of the following written works, which I've yet to dig up: Marx R.F., 1984 , Romans in Rio? [see Santarelli A. Mondo Sommerso 270 1983:252-3. Oceans, 17.4: 18-21.] The Romans in Rio book (?) is not among the works of Robert Marx as listed at Amazon.
Okay!!!!!! I'll stop!!! :)
Seems with the stuff going on within our country, a little more humor is needed.
I'm interested, can/will you link it over here?
I had an engineer from Colombia working for me once and she told me about the people living in the high mountains there. She said they called them the "White Cloud People" and they were white, blue eyed and blonde haired.
I'm not sure the Madoc visit has been disproved.
That was Prince Madoc who supposedly came here in 1170AD. There is a placque at Ft Gaines at the mouth of Mobile Bay commerating that visit.
These folks Here argue that he came in the sixth century AD.
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The thing about the blond "Roman" tribe doesn't make sense. If a bunch of Mediterranean types arrived in South America 2000 years ago, they would have been assimilated into the native population or died by about 1900 years ago.
The Ainu and the Jomon are the same people. Jomon is an earlier culture/type of pottery. The Ainu were not Samurai, so to speak, but they did lose a long series of wars against the Japanese. They were driven up to Hokkaido.
Dr. Elizabeth Lyding Will, an expert on Roman amphoras (clay vessels used to store and ship goods during the Roman era)... says, "The highly publicized amphoras Robert Marx found in the ship are in fact similar in shape to jars produced in kilns at Kouass, on the west coast of Morocco. The Rio jars look to be late versions of those jars, perhaps datable to the third century A.D. I have a large piece of one of the Rio jars, but no labs I have consulted have any clay similar in composition. So the edges of the earth for Rome, beyond India and Scotland and eastern Europe, remain shrouded in mystery. Information about this find is practically non existent. Gary Fretz's synopsis of the 'whole story' suggests that the find has been suppressed by the Brazilian government."
Lots of Germanic tribes had come into the Empire by then
not in 19 B.C. At that time, the Romans stuck to the Mare Nostrum -- the Mediterranean.The Roman military, maybe, but Roman-era trade exceeded the military range throughout imperial times. (not a reply to Cronos, because of the lapse of a couple of years or whatever)
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Some brief footage of Robert Marx and some of the amphorae, short discussion of the Bay of Jars in Brazil.
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