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Our Species Mated With Other Human Species, Study Says
National Geographic ^ | March 6, 2002 | Hillary Mayell

Posted on 03/06/2002 7:38:41 PM PST by ValerieUSA

A new piece of evidence—one sure to prove controversial—has been flung into the human origins debate.
A study published March 7 in Nature presents genetic evidence that humans left Africa in at least three waves of migration. It suggests that modern humans (Homo sapiens) interbred with archaic humans (Homo erectus and Neandertals) who had migrated earlier from Africa, rather than displacing them.

Ancient Origins
In the human origins debate, which has been highly charged for at least 15 years, there is a consensus among scientists that Homo erectus, the precursor to modern humans, originated in Africa and expanded to Eurasia beginning around 1.7 million years ago.
Beyond that, opinions diverge.
There are two main points in contention. The first is whether modern humans evolved solely in Africa and then spread outward, or evolved concurrently in several places around the world.

The second area of controversy is whether modern humans completely replaced archaic forms of humans, or whether the process was one of assimilation, with interbreeding between the two groups.
"There are regions of the world, like the Middle East and Portugal, where some fossils look as if they could have been some kind of mix between archaic and modern people," said Rebecca Cann, a geneticist at the University of Hawaii.
"The question is," she said, "if there was mixing, did some archaic genetic lineages enter the modern human gene pool? If there was mixing and yet we have no evidence of those genes—as is indicated from the mitochondrial DNA and y chromosome data—why not?"
Alan Templeton, a geneticist at Washington University in St. Louis who headed the study reported in Nature, has concluded that yes, there was interbreeding between the different groups. "We are all genetically intertwined into a single long-term evolutionary lineage," he said.
To reach his conclusion, Templeton performed a statistical analysis of 11 different haplotype trees. A haplotype is a block of DNA containing gene variations that researchers believe are passed as a unit to successive generations. By comparing genetic differences in haplotypes of populations, researchers hope to track human evolution.
Templeton also concluded that modern humans left Africa in several waves—the first about 1.7 million years ago, another between 800,000 and 400,000 years ago, and a third between 150,000 and 80,000 years ago.
Alison S. Brooks, a paleoanthropologist at George Washington University, is more cautious about Templeton's conclusions. "Archaeological evidence supports multiple dispersals out of Africa," she said. "The question has always been whether these waves are dead ends. Did all of these people die? Templeton says not really, that every wave bred at least a little bit with those in Eurasia.
"This has not been the majority viewpoint of geneticists up to this point," said Brooks.

Dueling Theories
The fossil record shows that about 100,000 years ago, several species of hominids populated Earth.
Homo sapiens could be found in Africa and the Middle East; Homo erectus, as typified by Java Man and Peking Man, occupied Southeast Asia and China; and Neandertals roamed across Europe.
By about 25,000 years ago, the only hominid species that remained was Homo sapiens. Scientists have conducted a considerable amount of both genetic and archaeological research in an effort to understand how this outcome occurred.
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To: blam
the neandrethals supposedly had big noses, in addition to other body parts.

the caucasins from europe, which was the main home of the neandrethals have big noses (eg Roman nose), whereas the mongoloids and negroids have sort of small or flattened, 'pug' noses.

considering my dim memories of my early 20's, I am certain, if the europeans had discovered the wonders of the fermentation of grapes, they would certainly have mixed 'species'.

181 posted on 03/08/2002 3:41:44 AM PST by XBob
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To: blam
I read that. Totally phony. The total dishonesty of evolution "science" is unimaginable. We have seen numerous fossils of Neanderthals and homo sapiens found nearby. They all show that they were distinct species. Homo sapiens and Neanderthal remained completely distinct while living as neighbors for tens of thousands of years without intermixing. The reason for this was long suspected, but just recently verified. Neanderthal and Homo Sapiens were totally different species, they could not produce progeny with each other. This was confirmed by two separate samples of DNA from Neanderthals found in two widely separate finds.
182 posted on 03/08/2002 4:40:45 AM PST by gore3000
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To: mamelukesabre
The problem with the article is not in the definition of species. The problem is that it is complete bunk. We have no DNA of any humanoids other than Neanderthal. Therefore the "scientist" (better call him propagandist, or whore of evolution) who did this "study" had nothing to compare to. This is not science, it is fantasy. You cannot compare an apple to an orange if you never saw an orange.
183 posted on 03/08/2002 4:50:28 AM PST by gore3000
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Here's another example...


184 posted on 03/08/2002 4:57:39 AM PST by reagan_fanatic
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To: Liberty2112
I will never believe that my ancestors hung in trees.

What about Jesse Jackson?

185 posted on 03/08/2002 4:58:24 AM PST by Renatus
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To: capitan_refugio, medved
Hey medved, I'll help you out with the Heinsohn literature. How's this?

Oh, wait. That doesn't seem to help much. Sorry.

186 posted on 03/08/2002 5:14:28 AM PST by cracker
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To: Hobbes1; xsmommy; rikastrom
Caveman bump. And women, where are our sammiches, ugga ugga.
187 posted on 03/08/2002 5:17:37 AM PST by NeoCaveman
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To: F16Fighter
Let me be the first to evoke the name of: James Carville.

.your right...Carville is the missing link..

.

188 posted on 03/08/2002 5:19:42 AM PST by Clovis_Skeptic
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To: dubyaismypresident
i see you are one of the more recently..evolved... of the species...: )
189 posted on 03/08/2002 5:23:16 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: cracker
Oh, wait. That doesn't seem to help much. Sorry.

It wouldn't help you much, I mean a debate between Heinsohn and Ev cochrane (you wouldn't understand it). As you might notice from one or two of the links I noted, those kinds of debates go on at Cambridge University and similar places. The only way anybody like yourself ever got into Cambridge University is in a glass jar as a bio specimen.

190 posted on 03/08/2002 5:25:40 AM PST by medved
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To: xsmommy
i see you are one of the more recently..evolved... of the species...: )

And what makes you say that?

191 posted on 03/08/2002 5:36:27 AM PST by NeoCaveman
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To: gore3000
I won't argue the point with you, however, I believe the jury is still out. I lean toward the interbreeding theory.
192 posted on 03/08/2002 5:37:53 AM PST by blam
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To: reagan_fanatic
re: #194

With some sharper teeth & leathery wings you might have the cryptozoological interdimensional Renocabra.

193 posted on 03/08/2002 9:22:47 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: reagan_fanatic
Uh...#184, that is.
194 posted on 03/08/2002 9:23:57 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: twigs
IIRC, one of the objections in comparing 'ancient' Neanderthal mDNA (mitochondrial DNA) to CURRENT human mDNA was that it was an apples-to-oranges comparison. In other words, if you had ancient human mDNA it would not compare well with current human mDNA, either (never mind any possible Neanderthal comparisons: a straight humnan-to-human comparison would not look right). Lo and behold, an ancient Aboriginal (Lake Mungo man?) mDNA was extracted and amplified and it showed his mDNA looks rather far off the beaten path compared with latter-day man. Gimme awhile and maybe I can locate the reference...
195 posted on 03/08/2002 10:16:49 AM PST by NukeMan
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To: NukeMan
Here is one ref:
http://www.sciam.com/explorations/2001/012901human/

It's from Scientific American (and I know some of you can't stand that mag)...

They also make the point that even if Neanderthal mDNA is not in our current genetic makeup, other DNA might well be.

Here is another ref:
http://www.neanderthal-modern.com/genetic2.htm
196 posted on 03/08/2002 10:38:55 AM PST by NukeMan
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To: gore3000
Doesn't all science start out as fantasy?
197 posted on 03/08/2002 10:44:41 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre
Doesn't all science start out as fantasy?

Perhaps, but no one calls the stories of H.G. Wells science. Only evolutionists call fantasy science.

198 posted on 03/10/2002 4:10:04 AM PST by gore3000
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To: BurkeCalhounDabney
what planet did Carvel come from? Let's see...men are from Mars, Women from Venus...Carvel's from Uranus!!!!!!!
199 posted on 03/12/2002 11:51:01 PM PST by Madstrider
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To: ValerieUSA; blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; 2Jedismom; ...
Thanks Val, I don't believe I'd seen this, and though it's pushin' three years old, I'm going to ping the list.
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on, off, or alter the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list --
Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.
The GGG Digest
-- Gods, Graves, Glyphs (alpha order)

200 posted on 10/05/2004 11:04:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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