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Our Species Mated With Other Human Species, Study Says
National Geographic ^ | March 6, 2002 | Hillary Mayell

Posted on 03/06/2002 7:38:41 PM PST by ValerieUSA

A new piece of evidence—one sure to prove controversial—has been flung into the human origins debate.
A study published March 7 in Nature presents genetic evidence that humans left Africa in at least three waves of migration. It suggests that modern humans (Homo sapiens) interbred with archaic humans (Homo erectus and Neandertals) who had migrated earlier from Africa, rather than displacing them.

Ancient Origins
In the human origins debate, which has been highly charged for at least 15 years, there is a consensus among scientists that Homo erectus, the precursor to modern humans, originated in Africa and expanded to Eurasia beginning around 1.7 million years ago.
Beyond that, opinions diverge.
There are two main points in contention. The first is whether modern humans evolved solely in Africa and then spread outward, or evolved concurrently in several places around the world.

The second area of controversy is whether modern humans completely replaced archaic forms of humans, or whether the process was one of assimilation, with interbreeding between the two groups.
"There are regions of the world, like the Middle East and Portugal, where some fossils look as if they could have been some kind of mix between archaic and modern people," said Rebecca Cann, a geneticist at the University of Hawaii.
"The question is," she said, "if there was mixing, did some archaic genetic lineages enter the modern human gene pool? If there was mixing and yet we have no evidence of those genes—as is indicated from the mitochondrial DNA and y chromosome data—why not?"
Alan Templeton, a geneticist at Washington University in St. Louis who headed the study reported in Nature, has concluded that yes, there was interbreeding between the different groups. "We are all genetically intertwined into a single long-term evolutionary lineage," he said.
To reach his conclusion, Templeton performed a statistical analysis of 11 different haplotype trees. A haplotype is a block of DNA containing gene variations that researchers believe are passed as a unit to successive generations. By comparing genetic differences in haplotypes of populations, researchers hope to track human evolution.
Templeton also concluded that modern humans left Africa in several waves—the first about 1.7 million years ago, another between 800,000 and 400,000 years ago, and a third between 150,000 and 80,000 years ago.
Alison S. Brooks, a paleoanthropologist at George Washington University, is more cautious about Templeton's conclusions. "Archaeological evidence supports multiple dispersals out of Africa," she said. "The question has always been whether these waves are dead ends. Did all of these people die? Templeton says not really, that every wave bred at least a little bit with those in Eurasia.
"This has not been the majority viewpoint of geneticists up to this point," said Brooks.

Dueling Theories
The fossil record shows that about 100,000 years ago, several species of hominids populated Earth.
Homo sapiens could be found in Africa and the Middle East; Homo erectus, as typified by Java Man and Peking Man, occupied Southeast Asia and China; and Neandertals roamed across Europe.
By about 25,000 years ago, the only hominid species that remained was Homo sapiens. Scientists have conducted a considerable amount of both genetic and archaeological research in an effort to understand how this outcome occurred.
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To: capitan_refugio
I'll say it again, anybody who keeps up with archaeology knows who Gunnar Heinsohn is. Kind of like knowing who Superman and Elvis were...
161 posted on 03/07/2002 8:39:09 PM PST by medved
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To: capitan_refugio
Heinsohn is a non-entity....

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162 posted on 03/07/2002 8:42:01 PM PST by medved
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To: capitan_refugio
I read the geologic literature on a regular basis and I also keep up with the general scientific literature......

And you just heard the name Heinsohn for the firs ttime today?

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163 posted on 03/07/2002 8:44:56 PM PST by medved
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To: gore3000
Hybrid Neanderthal
164 posted on 03/07/2002 8:46:44 PM PST by blam
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To: ValerieUSA
"Homo erectus, the precursor to modern humans, originated in Africa and expanded to Eurasia beginning around 1.7 million years ago."

Well, we know the Bible alludes to man existing in a time that has to be before Adam. We just aren't given the exact dates. They still haven't proven evolution.

165 posted on 03/07/2002 8:51:17 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: medved
Stop the mental masturbation and cite the literature.
166 posted on 03/07/2002 8:55:08 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: capitan_refugio
By the way, I know about Heinsohn's hundreds of articles, and you can find several books on amazon. (He is apparently a very prolific writer on just about anything - the surest sign of a hack.) I am asking about his expertise in the field of geochronology. And you can't cite the literature, because there is none ... at least none in reputable journals.
167 posted on 03/07/2002 9:09:22 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: ValerieUSA
With each "ice age" expansion, tribes would have moved away from glaciation to battle over shrinking living space. Warfare is a naturally selected human genetic result, IMO. Disease, starvation, and war certainly took tolls on all populations. Cross breeding (tribal and subspecies) would have taken place even if only between slaves and their masters, as sex has been and remains a useful form of violence.

What I really like is that there is no way to ascertain what went on, unless archived UFO video becomes available.

FWIW, this single Scot-Celt-Norman likes auburn-redheads above 5'8" and >125 IQ.

168 posted on 03/07/2002 9:13:31 PM PST by SevenDaysInMay
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To: capitan_refugio
Stop the mental masturbation and cite the literature.

I cite literature for people who could benefit from it. I don't cite literature for clowns.

169 posted on 03/07/2002 10:05:29 PM PST by medved
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To: blam
Hybrid Neanderthal link...

One questionable skeleton doesn't cut it in this context. You had large numbers of modern humans and neanderthals living in close proximity for long periods and if interbreeding werwe possible at all, hybrid skeletons should be all over the place and easy to find. That is the gist of the article I posted above.

170 posted on 03/07/2002 10:09:23 PM PST by medved
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To: medved
Like I said, there isn't any credible literature to cite. You're just wasting bandwidth. Good night.
171 posted on 03/07/2002 10:26:16 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: ValerieUSA
If true, the taxonomy needs to be revised. Homo sapiens, Homo erectus, etc. are, by definition, all one species.
172 posted on 03/07/2002 10:30:17 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
I didn't really think the headline made much sense.
173 posted on 03/07/2002 10:32:48 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: apocalypticchicken
*L* Perhaps you have explained your existance.
175 posted on 03/07/2002 10:43:39 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: apocalypticchicken
Just some little Banty banter... so is the sky still falling, or what?
177 posted on 03/07/2002 10:54:02 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
If true, the taxonomy needs to be revised. Homo sapiens, Homo erectus, etc. are, by definition, all one species.

As noted, it isn't true. Neanderthal DNA has been described as "about halfway between ours and that of a chimpanzee". That explains the lack of interbreeding.

178 posted on 03/07/2002 10:54:18 PM PST by medved
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To: medved
A few typical Heinsohn links :

http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc030797.html

http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword04a.htm

http://users.rcn.com/henryz.interport/whelton.html

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Pantheon/5061/kassites_israel.html

http://www.efodon.de/html/archiv/geschichte/friedrich/aegy.htm


"Captain Refuse" links?? Those are a bit harcder to find....

180 posted on 03/07/2002 11:14:15 PM PST by medved
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