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How would you respond to this argument: "Since science cannot prove or disprove the existence of God, then it's possible he exists"?
Quora.com ^ | Updated 12-10-23 | Daniel Hamilton

Posted on 12/10/2023 12:53:16 PM PST by daniel1212

Partly, by responding that scientific discovery and knowledge does not warrant the premise that the universe and everything therein can (at least someday) all be attributed to purely natural processes.

Meaning that the atheist/antitheist position claim that there is no Creator/God, is one lacking in evidential warrant and requires great faith. For it can only presume that an exceedingly vast, systematically ordered, intricate universe,* exquisitely finely tuned for earthly life with its extensive diversity and astounding complexity, came to be by known (or potentially known), purely natural demonstrable powers, as if it was Divine, without any supreme supernatural intelligence behind it.

And while man- using His God-given intelligence - has discovered causes and means of many things (like lighting) that were once attributed by some to purely supernatural causes, these are discoveries of how God created natural things to work, using laws He ordained, yet which are beside actions for organization of matter, and the programming of it which require supernatural powers and intelligence.

Moreover, rather than a trajectory of scientific discovery leading to a purely natural explanation of the universe, instead, the more that is discovered then the more perplexing competing hypotheses become

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and the more absurd the atheistic denial of a creator becomes.

For the Christian the evidence comports to the omniscient omnipotent God of the Bible as being the Ultimate First Cause, organizer and programmer.

Moreover, addressing the moral argument of antithiests, God, due to His very nature of knowing what every effect will be of every one of man’s choices - not only for this life but for eternity - has in that light a reason for His choices, including enabling man to make choices between alternatives - right or wrong - (unlike perfect robots) and thus effect consequences, for good as well as for bad, which to varying degrees affect others.

And unlike man, as omnipotent, God alone can make all things to ultimately work out for Good, with justice as well as mercy and grace;

And which Being cannot be judged regarding His choices by finite and exceedingly ignorant man as specks in this darkened corner of the universe, existing on earth in but a moment of time. Despite the ignorant railings of antithiests who essential must presume omniscience in charging an all-knowing God of immorality, while themselves have no sure supreme standard for morality, much less knowing what every effect will be of every one of man’s choices and the ability to make it all work out for what is objectively Good in the light of all that can be know.

Many of which atheists even deny a creator as a hypothesis and regardless of whatever evidence could be offered, as well as for the historicity of the Biblical Christ.

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  1. It's almost impossible to understand how unfathomably massive our universe truly is

2. https://www.discovery.org/m/2020/06/Fine-Tuning-Parameters-Jay-Richards.pdf

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1. Fine-Tuning for Life: the Evidence 1.1 Examples from Physics Our best current theories of fundamental physics are the Standard Model of elementary particle physics and the theory of general relativity. The Standard Model accounts for three of the known four fundamental forces of nature—the strong, the weak, and the electromagnetic force—while general relativity accounts for the fourth—gravity. Arguments according to which our universe is fine-tuned for life are aimed at showing that life could not have existed for the vast majority of other forms of the laws of nature, other values of the constants of nature, and other conditions in the very early universe. The following is an—incomplete—list of suggested instances of fine-tuning for life. (For popular overviews see Leslie 1989: ch. 2, Rees 2000, Davies 2006, and Lewis & Barnes 2016; for more technical ones see Hogan 2000, Uzan 2011, Barnes 2012, Adams 2019 and the contributions to Sloan et al. 2020.) 1.1.1 Fine-tuned constants The strength of gravity, when measured against the strength of electromagnetism, seems fine-tuned for life (Rees 2000: ch. 3; Uzan 2011: sect. 4; Lewis & Barnes 2016: ch. 4). If gravity had been absent or substantially weaker, galaxies, stars and planets would not have formed in the first place. Had it been only slightly weaker (and/or electromagnetism slightly stronger), main sequence stars such as the sun would have been significantly colder and would not explode in supernovae, which are the main source of many heavier elements (Carr & Rees 1979). If, in contrast, gravity had been slightly stronger, stars would have formed from smaller amounts of material, which would have meant that, inasmuch as still stable, they would have been much smaller and more short-lived (Adams 2008; Barnes 2012: sect. 4.7.1). The strength of the strong nuclear force, when measured against that of electromagnetism, seems fine-tuned for life (Rees 2000: ch. 4; Lewis & Barnes 2016: ch. 4). Had it been stronger by more than about \(50\,\%\), almost all hydrogen would have been burned in the very early universe (MacDonald & Mullan 2009). Had it been weaker by a similar amount, stellar nucleosynthesis would have been much less efficient and few, if any, elements beyond hydrogen would have formed. For the production of appreciable amounts of both carbon and oxygen in stars, even much smaller deviations of the strength of the strong force from its actual value would be fatal (Hoyle et al. 1953; Barrow & Tipler 1986: 252–253; Oberhummer et al. 2000; Barnes 2012: sect. 4.7.2). The difference between the masses of the two lightest quarks—the up- and down-quark—seems fine-tuned for life (Carr & Rees 1979; Hogan 2000: sect. 4; Hogan 2007; Adams 2019: sect. 2.25). Partly, the fine-tuning of these two masses obtains relative to the strength of the weak force (Barr & Khan 2007). Changes in the difference between them have the potential to affect the stability properties of the proton and neutron, which are

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5. Science quotes on God

6. 'God: new evidence' - the fine tuning of the universe - part 1

7. When science and philosophy collide in a 'fine-tuned' universe

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10. We Live in a Very Fortunate Universe

11. List of Fine-Tuning Parameters

12. List of Factors of Fine-Tuning of Intelligent Life in the Universe

13. Can DNA Prove the Existence of an Intelligent Designer?

14. [God DNA] Proves Presence of God” says Scientists

15. 82 Mind-Blowing Facts about DNA | FactRetriever.com

16. 'God: new evidence' - the fine tuning of the universe - part 1

17. Evidence for the Fine Tuning of the Universe

18. It Takes 26 Fundamental Constants To Give Us Our Universe, But They Still Don't Give Everything

19. The Universe as We Understand It May Be Impossible

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21. Is Jesus Alive?

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24. Dawkins [essentially] Admits Nothing Can Persuade Him God Exists

Do you believe Richard Dawkins exists? by Ellen Barrington Photo by Matti Á, flickr.com Do you believe in Richard Dawkins? If your answer was yes, why? Most of us have assumed Dawkins’ existence based on very little evidence. I for one have never met him. And though I’ve seen a couple of pieces of video footage, a few pictures and his name as author on a number of books, when you think about it, it’s not that substantial. I’ve seen video clips and pictures of ‘Santa Claus’, too. And authors use pseudonyms all the time, so there’s no telling who really wrote The God Delusion or The Greatest Show on Earth . By now you’re probably thinking, ‘Of course he exists; I’ve never seen direct evidence but I have good reason to believe he does.’ And even though your belief is based on faith, it’s a reasonable faith to hold. Ultimately, nothing in this world can be scientifically proven with 100% certainty. As humans with fallible reasoning and limited resources, we often have to come to similarly faith-based conclusions, based on the weight of evidence. We use such reasoning, involving logical deductions and inferences, frequently in everyday life. It’s why I’ve come to believe that I am surrounded in air, even though I can’t see it. And it’s why I believe that there is a country called Uzbekistan, thousands of kilometres away from my home, even though I’ve never been there. In fact, I would argue that I have seen far more evidence for the existence of God than for the existence of Dawkins. In the same way, I have also been convinced that there is a God who created the world and everything in it, specifically the God of the Bible. In fact, I would argue that I have seen far more evidence for the existence of God than for the existence of Dawkins. Skeptical? Let’s look at some of the evidence for a Creator God. God cannot be directly measured or detected by scientific means, and the larger scientific community claims that this is a good reason to deny His existence. Dr Scott Todd, an immunologist at Kansas State University, once stated that “even if all the data point to an intelligent designer, such an hypothesis is excluded from science because it is not naturalistic”. 1 In other words, supernatural creation, and miracles, are ruled out philosophically , whether true or not. The existence of everything around us Most evolutionists believe that the matter and energy in the entire universe, and the laws of physics themselves, ultimately appeared from nothing, out of nowhere, for no reason. Then the astronomical universe—the orderly system of stars, galaxies and planets—came into existence through entirely natural processes, all by itself. If we were to assume the truth of this astonishing claim, the next question is how life arose on earth. Evolutionists claim it occurred by abiogenesis, i.e. life arising from non-living matter, by itself. Yet current scientific evidence only supports biogenesis, i.e. that life arises from living matter. Biogenesis is one of

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THE WHIRLPOOL GALAXY “The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books - a mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects.” - Albert Einstein “The statistical probability that organic structures and the most precisely harmonized reactions that typify living organisms would be generated by accident, is zero.” - Ilya Prigogine (Chemist-Physicist) Recipient of two Nobel Prizes in chemistry I. Prigogine, N. Gregair, A. Babbyabtz, Physics Today 25, pp. 23-28 “The really amazing thing is not that life on Earth is balanced on a knife-edge, but that the entire universe is balanced on a knife-edge, and would be total chaos if any of the natural ‘constants’ were off even slightly. You see,” Davies adds, “even if you dismiss man as a chance happening, the fact remains that the universe seems unreasonably suited to the existence of life—almost contrived—you might say a ‘put-up job’.” - Dr. Paul Davies (noted author and Professor of Theoretical Physics at Adelaide University) “...how surprising it is that the laws of nature and the initial conditions of the universe should allow for the existence of beings who could observe it. Life as we know it would be impossible if any one of several physical quantities had slightly different values.” - Professor Steven Weinberg (Nobel Laureate in High Energy Physics [a field of science that deals with the very early universe], writing in the journal “Scientific American”.) “This most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being.” - Isaac Newton (“General Scholium,” in Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy, Isaac Newton. 1687) 16O has exactly the right nuclear energy level either to prevent all the carbon from turning into oxygen or to facilitate sufficient production of 16O for life. Fred Hoyle, who discovered these coincidences in 1953, concluded that “a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology.” - Hoyle, Fred. “The Universe: Past and Present Reflections,” in Annual Review of Astronomy and Astrophysics, 20. (1982), p.16 (for more of these coincidences click here) “If you equate the probability of the birth of a bacteria cell to chance assembly of its atoms, eternity will not suffice to produce one… Faced with the enormous sum of lucky draws behind the success of the evolutionary game, one may legitimately wonder to what extent this success is actually written into the fabric of the universe.” - Christian de Duve. “A Guided Tour of the Living Cell” (Nobel laureate and organic chemist) Probably the leading paleonto

A list of 60 aspects are cited as regards the above is https://wng.org/roundups/a-fine-tuned-universe-1617224984

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Science quotes on God

"according to many physicists, the fact that the universe is able to support life depends delicately on various of its fundamental characteristics, notably on the form of the laws of nature, on the values of some constants of nature, and on aspects of the universe’s conditions in its very early stages." https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/fine-tuning/ A listing of such follows.

“I find it quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something instead of nothing.” - Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy) Willford, J.N. March 12, 1991. Sizing up the Cosmos: An Astronomers Quest. New York Times, p. B9.

“Amazing fine tuning occurs in the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use the word ‘miraculous’ without taking a stand as to the ontological status of the word.” - George Ellis (British astrophysicist) Ellis, G.F.R. 1993. The Anthropic Principle: Laws and Environments. The Anthropic Principle, F. Bertola and U.Curi, ed. New York, Cambridge University Press, p. 30

“We are, by astronomical standards, a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances indicate the universe was created for man to live in.” - John O’Keefe (astronomer at NASA) Heeren, F. 1995. Show Me God. Wheeling, IL, Searchlight Publications, p. 200.

“As we look out into the universe and identify the many accidents of physics and astronomy that have worked together to our benefit, it almost seems as if the universe must in some sense have known that we were coming.” - Professor Freeman J. of the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton

“The statistical probability that organic structures and the most precisely harmonized reactions that typify living organisms would be generated by accident, is zero.” - Ilya Prigogine (Chemist-Physicist) Recipient of two Nobel Prizes in chemistry in, "Physics Today" 25, pp. 23-28

“The really amazing thing is not that life on Earth is balanced on a knife-edge, but that the entire universe is balanced on a knife-edge, and would be total chaos if any of the natural ‘constants’ were off even slightly. - - Dr. Paul Davies, esteemed author and Professor of Theoretical Physics at Adelaide University.

“...how surprising it is that the laws of nature and the initial conditions of the universe should allow for the existence of beings who could observe it. Life as we know it would be impossible if any one of several physical quantities had slightly different values.” - Professor Steven Weinberg (Nobel Laureate in High Energy Physics [a field of science that deals with the very early universe], writing in the journal “Scientific American”.)

16O has exactly the right nuclear energy level either to prevent all the carbon from turning into oxygen or to facilitate sufficient production of 16O for life. Fred Hoyle, who discovered these coincidences in 1953, concluded that “a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology.” - Hoyle, Fred. “The Universe: Past and Present Reflections,” in Annual Review of Astronomy and Astrophysics, 20. (1982), p.16 (for more of these coincidences click here)

“If you equate the probability of the birth of a bacteria cell to chance assembly of its atoms, eternity will not suffice to produce one… Faced with the enormous sum of lucky draws behind the success of the evolutionary game, one may legitimately wonder to what extent this success is actually written into the fabric of the universe.” - Christian de Duve. “A Guided Tour of the Living Cell” (Nobel laureate and organic chemist)

“...The capacity of DNA to store information vastly exceeds that of any other known system: it is so efficient that all the information needed to specify an organism as complex as man weighs less than a few thousand millionths of a gram. The information necessary to specify the design of all the species of organisms which have ever existed on the planet…could be held in a teaspoon and there would still be room left for all the information in every book ever written…” - Dr. Michael Denton (Australian microbiologist)

As regards “order,” from another non-Christian:

“The order of the universe is not an assumption; it’s an observed fact. We detect the light from distant quasars only because the laws of electromagnetism are the same 10 billion light years away as here. The spectra of those quasars are recognizable only because the same chemical elements are present there as here, and because the same laws of quantum mechanics apply. The motion of galaxies around one another follows familiar Newtonian gravity. Gravitational lenses and binary pulsar spin-downs reveal general relativity in the depths of space. We could have lived in a universe with different laws in every province, but we do not. This fact cannot but elicit feelings of reverence and awe.” ― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

*As Albert Einstein observed, " We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations."

“I find it quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something instead of nothing.” - Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy) Willford, J.N. March 12, 1991. Sizing up the Cosmos: An Astronomers Quest. New York Times, p. B9.

“Amazing fine tuning occurs in the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use the word ‘miraculous’ without taking a stand as to the ontological status of the word.” - George Ellis (British astrophysicist) Ellis, G.F.R. 1993. The Anthropic Principle: Laws and Environments. The Anthropic Principle, F. Bertola and U.Curi, ed. New York, Cambridge University Press, p. 30

“We are, by astronomical standards, a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances indicate the universe was created for man to live in.” - John O’Keefe (astronomer at NASA) Heeren, F. 1995. Show Me God. Wheeling, IL, Searchlight Publications, p. 200.

“As we look out into the universe and identify the many accidents of physics and astronomy that have worked together to our benefit, it almost seems as if the universe must in some sense have known that we were coming.” - Professor Freeman J. of the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton

“The statistical probability that organic structures and the most precisely harmonized reactions that typify living organisms would be generated by accident, is zero.” - Ilya Prigogine (Chemist-Physicist) Recipient of two Nobel Prizes in chemistry in, "Physics Today" 25, pp. 23-28

“The really amazing thing is not that life on Earth is balanced on a knife-edge, but that the entire universe is balanced on a knife-edge, and would be total chaos if any of the natural ‘constants’ were off even slightly. - - Dr. Paul Davies, esteemed author and Professor of Theoretical Physics at Adelaide University.

“...how surprising it is that the laws of nature and the initial conditions of the universe should allow for the existence of beings who could observe it. Life as we know it would be impossible if any one of several physical quantities had slightly different values.” - Professor Steven Weinberg (Nobel Laureate in High Energy Physics [a field of science that deals with the very early universe], writing in the journal “Scientific American”.)

16O has exactly the right nuclear energy level either to prevent all the carbon from turning into oxygen or to facilitate sufficient production of 16O for life. Fred Hoyle, who discovered these coincidences in 1953, concluded that “a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology.” - Hoyle, Fred. “The Universe: Past and Present Reflections,” in Annual Review of Astronomy and Astrophysics, 20. (1982), p.16 (for more of these coincidences click here)

“If you equate the probability of the birth of a bacteria cell to chance assembly of its atoms, eternity will not suffice to produce one… Faced with the enormous sum of lucky draws behind the success of the evolutionary game, one may legitimately wonder to what extent this success is actually written into the fabric of the universe.” - Christian de Duve. “A Guided Tour of the Living Cell” (Nobel laureate and organic chemist)

“...The capacity of DNA to store information vastly exceeds that of any other known system: it is so efficient that all the information needed to specify an organism as complex as man weighs less than a few thousand millionths of a gram. The information necessary to specify the design of all the species of organisms which have ever existed on the planet…could be held in a teaspoon and there would still be room left for all the information in every book ever written…” - Dr. Michael Denton (Australian microbiologist)

For non-seeking atheists, like their rebel master, their denial of God and rejection of a supreme judge even as a hypothesis, their adament position due to their unconscious desire to be as God, as the supreme judge (atheism being a progression of idolatry) rather than being subject to Him.

Thus, they effectively presume omniscience in sitting in moral judgment upon an omniscient and omnipotent creator (at least of the Bible). Who cannot be judged since the choices of an omniscient and omnipotent creator are made in the light of His unique knowledge of what all the effects will be of every choice, not only in this brief time, but for eternity.

And who can - as He promises to do - make all to work out for what is Good, with justice towards the idolaters, and mercy and grace toward those who want what God represents, and thus seek and find The Light, The Way The Truth and The Life, by the grace of God. (Romans 2:7


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To: Sacajaweau
Your post exposes the serious limitations of human capabilities in a nutshell.

Instead of ordering your life around the rising and setting of the sun, you simply beg others to establish a totally haphazard definition of “time” to meet your needs.

And when did farmers and cows ever care what the clock was showing at any given time?

41 posted on 12/10/2023 1:36:28 PM PST by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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To: steve in DC
Not the atheist. Nope! He has a certainty that, arguably, exceeds the belief structure of the theist!

Wouldn't be much of an atheist if he didn't.

42 posted on 12/10/2023 1:37:19 PM PST by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐To the Left, The Truth is Right Wing Violence⭐⭐)
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To: daniel1212

The fact the earth falls in the small ring of life distance from the sun, and the moon is the perfect size to eclipse the sun, shows the artistry to the creator.


43 posted on 12/10/2023 1:37:56 PM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world or something )
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To: daniel1212

You cannot prove a negative.

Try it on any topic.


44 posted on 12/10/2023 1:38:13 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: Big Red Badger

The atheist believes in the Big Bang...
That Everything came from Nothing.


45 posted on 12/10/2023 1:38:18 PM PST by Big Red Badger (The Truman Show)
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To: steve in DC
The most doctrinaire is the atheist. His is the most tightly held belief. The agnostic allows for both the existence and non-existance of God. Not the atheist. Nope! He has a certainty that, arguably, exceeds the belief structure of the theist!

Indeed, that seems to be the norm, though they assert that atheism is "simply a rejection of the assertion that there are gods," in my limited experience they argue against god even as a possibility, that they could be wrong.

46 posted on 12/10/2023 1:41:58 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: MotorCityBuck; ought-six

Th only reason people claim not to believe in God is they don’t want to follow his rules.

I don’t mean it’s one of the reasons. It’s the only one. Many of these people don’t consider their own mind carefully enough to know this.


47 posted on 12/10/2023 1:42:37 PM PST by reasonisfaith (What are the personal implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: daniel1212

There’s nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.


48 posted on 12/10/2023 1:46:35 PM PST by equaviator (If 60 is the new 40 then 35 must be the new 15.)
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To: equaviator

Believing God is “the universe” is how people license themselves to do whatever they please. A universe-god won’t hold them accountable.

The problem with that idea is: God is not the universe. He created it.


49 posted on 12/10/2023 1:59:03 PM PST by reasonisfaith (What are the personal implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: Chode

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50 posted on 12/10/2023 2:04:10 PM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: daniel1212

It’s easy to explain it scientifically, but much more difficult to guide people to experience God. The experience is far more important than intellectual theory.

The first step is to define, “What is God?”

I define God as any level of consciousness that exists above the level I am currently at.

My Fathers Mansion has many rooms, and each room is a different level of consciousness.

While Jesus is returning to earth, it is a lot more profound than that. Heaven is coming to earth. Just as the Lord’s Prayer states, “On earth as it is in Heaven.”

But first we will have a short period of darkness on earth. This is mentioned several times in the Bible. It is real. It’s the layer between earth and Heaven that one must go through when they die to reach Heaven.

The tunnel people speak of when they die is the portal through this layer of darkness to Heaven. The light at the end of the tunnel is the Light of Heaven shining down through the portal. The darkness preceeds Heaven arriving.

I have passed through this and entered Heaven many times, most recently in October during surgery when I left my body. I’ve also gone there many times guiding people when they die.

I call this lower level of Heaven the recycling level for souls that are growing but have not grown to transcend self or the physical body.

Death is not graduation, it is merely a semester break. Transcendence is graduation as it allows a person to move above the lower level of Heaven. Paul spoke of this Higher Heaven in Acts. It is very real.

Once you transcend your physical body with your consciousness, you become One with Jesus and Our Father. Your soul actually expands to where the entire earth exists within you. This is what Jesus experienced when He came out of the wilderness and dtsted “My Father and I are One.”

Remember what Jesus says in John 14 (My favorite chapter in the Bible,) when He say that if I am in you, (which is what communion is all about), then My Father that is in Me is also in you. These are very profound scriptures and must be understood to experience God.

I can explain the neuroscience of this process, but understanding consciousness and the anatomy and physiology of the human soul is far more important. When you raise up in consciousness and realize that Jesus is already here, the consciousness of others and the content of thrir soul becomes physical. This is how I read people’s stored memories in their soul without them saying one word.

About a month ago I had a vision where the layer of darkness came to earth, and then Heaven came to earth. I knew I was in Heaven due to both the feeling of Love and the bright Light. Everything looked brighter. All the colors were more brilliant and actually glowed. This is how they appear when you perceive with your expanded consciousness beyond your physical body.

Prayer and meditation, including inviting the Holy Spirit into yourself daily, is most important in transcending this earthly realm and experiencing God.

The Bible is very accurate. Even to the point of mentioning the weeds in Matthew 13, and the anti-messiah or false peacemaker that will soon arrive. The weeds are here now and the anti-messiah will soon be evident.

The Kingdom of God is within you.

🙏🙏🙏


51 posted on 12/10/2023 2:06:29 PM PST by tired&retired (Blessings )
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To: daniel1212
Properly speaking, although science can help define the issue, in current understanding, the existence of God is a philosophical question, not a scientific one. Nevertheless, current science can offer some useful insights.

Most notably, physics, the hardest and most rigorous branch of science, now contradicts the view that material existence is all that there is. Indeed, consciousness is woven into quantum mechanics, the fundamental explanation of matter and energy.

Quantum entanglement, which arises from the wave-particle duality of energy and matter, is well-recognized and firmly established. Recently, the Nobel Prize in Physics went to three scientists whose decades of work refuted the so-called hidden variable explanation for quantum entanglement. This tacitly confirms that consciousness is real.

On that basis, scrupulous atheists now have to take consciousness seriously. Like matter, it seems plausible that the realm of consciousness is organized in some manner. For humans at least, this implies the existence of a soul as well as the existence of other conscious entities -- perhaps even God as a Supreme Being.

52 posted on 12/10/2023 2:08:16 PM PST by Rockingham (`)
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To: MotorCityBuck

“Anyone that tells you they “Know” is full of Sh*t.”

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What a stupid comment. You may believe they are, but that’s your problem not their. Keep your feces to yourself.


53 posted on 12/10/2023 2:10:51 PM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: FamiliarFace

St. Augustine said the same thing with his FIRST THINGS in the 4th Century, basically that “nothing can come from nothing”


54 posted on 12/10/2023 2:14:54 PM PST by Doche2X2
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To: daniel1212
If a God exists, why has He manifested himself in so may other religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Christianity and Judaism?

And why do Christians believe that their religion is the one and only and takes precedence over all the others?

55 posted on 12/10/2023 2:20:24 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (This Is The Way)
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To: null and void

But highly improbable.


56 posted on 12/10/2023 2:21:04 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: daniel1212

I have also observed that the laws of physics apply to the human soul as well.

The soul needs to take on higher consciousness to expand. Fear, anger and guilt shrink the soul.

Love is most important as it holds the two aspects of consciousness together so they can reach higher frequencies. Without Love, the human soul cannot grow.

I define “sin” as any obstacle to Love in a person’s soul. If I reach out and take hold of a person’s sin in their soul, it physically moves their body even though I am several feet away.

By the way, the soul enters at conception, as the stored memories at the edge of the new soul are the mother’s memories of her experience with the father at conception.

🙏


57 posted on 12/10/2023 2:21:23 PM PST by tired&retired (Blessings )
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To: daniel1212

I can’t see oxygen or clean air in general but I know it exists. I can feel it.


58 posted on 12/10/2023 2:22:29 PM PST by Boomer (The Long Winter is coming...)
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To: jacknhoo

Such people belong to the “Flat Consciousness Society” and think the limited reality they perceive is all that exists. Most people are in this category.


59 posted on 12/10/2023 2:23:35 PM PST by tired&retired (Blessings )
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To: Boomer

A person’s perception of reality is a function of the frequency of consciousness from which they view it.

Prayer, meditation, and the Holy Spirit raises our consciousness frequency. It must reach 40 Hz just to perceive beyond the physical body. I’ve jammed FM reveivers in meditation that are in the Mega Hz. I really don’t think their is an upper limit.

Look up Gamma frequencies of consciousness in EEG studies.


60 posted on 12/10/2023 2:27:44 PM PST by tired&retired (Blessings )
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