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How would you respond to this argument: "Since science cannot prove or disprove the existence of God, then it's possible he exists"?
Quora.com ^ | Updated 12-10-23 | Daniel Hamilton

Posted on 12/10/2023 12:53:16 PM PST by daniel1212

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To: tired&retired

Note: Time is a function of the frequency of consciousness divided by the speed of light.

Thus as you increase the frequency of your consciousness, time collapses. This is the reason for the great time difference between earth time and time in Heaven.

The increase in consciousness frequency is what allows people to see in the future. It’s all about perception and point of reference.

If you are driving down a road, your vision might be restricted by trees, rocks, buildings,hills and valleys. If you are riding in a plane looking down on the car, you can see far down the road in front of the car.

This is how Jesus could see what future was unfolding on earth.

When I fist returned from Heaven and had the visions, I thought the events would unfold in the mid 1990’s. But the visions were at a higher level of consciousness and time was collapsed. They are just happening now, over thirty years later.


181 posted on 12/12/2023 2:35:45 AM PST by tired&retired (Blessings )
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To: reasonisfaith
If we’re going to be careful with language, the word “prove” in the title should be replaced with the word “demonstrate.”

I did not ask the question, yet "demonstrate," or "evidence" still results in the same situation as being a position of faith, Biblically defined (confidence based upon evidential warrant) as it does for the deist. But my position is that To believe that an exceedingly vast, systematically ordered universe, exquisitely finely tuned for life with intricate astounding complexity, can be all a result of purely natural processes requires more faith, than that the universe logically testifies to design, requiring a First Cause (at the least), that of a powerful being of supreme intelligence being behind the existence of energy and organization of matter.

And while we’re at it, anyone interested in thinking should note that everything demonstrates God’s existence.

Yes, an ultimate uncaused cause, leaving the atheist to place some hope in the multiverse hypothesis being the possible answer. Of which even WP presently (subject to much change) states, "Although some scientists have analyzed data in search of evidence for other universes, no statistically significant evidence has been found. Critics argue that the multiverse concept lacks testability and falsifiability, which are essential for scientific inquiry, and that it raises unresolved metaphysical issues." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse)

182 posted on 12/12/2023 4:58:23 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: icclearly
Anyway, I'm anxious about how you provide "proof" that God does exist…..

I’ll give it a try. I am not am expert at all in these matters.

The concept that “out of nothing comes nothing” suggests that there was/is a creative force at work. Everything that I see, everything in the universe, everything in nature —everything and everyone that exists—did not exist at some point. It was created by a providential God.

What I see with my own eyes is scientific proof that God exists….I think.

183 posted on 12/12/2023 7:48:29 AM PST by GSWarrior
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To: GSWarrior
What I see with my own eyes is scientific proof that God exists….I think.

I absolutely 100% agree with you. That is one of the huge reasons for my belief. I was raised as a Christian and exposed to the Word of God my whole life. The wisdom of those words that have stood the test of time (3000 or so years) only validates that rational/logical belief.

My belief has been significantly strengthened as I learn more about our physical world (in science). There must be a creator, and it is not logical to believe that all of the complexity of our world came about by accident or through so-called evolution.

My belief is very strong, and I believe with all my heart as someone who makes a dedicated and focused effort to learn all about the world and universe we live in. Even to the extent of learning about scientific principles that attempt to understand how God created and performs all of these marvelous things.

But, it is not proof -- except in the mind of believers like me and you.

There's a whole group of other people who don't believe as we do. I strongly disagree with their opinion for the reasons described above.

I guess that's why it's called "FAITH."

184 posted on 12/12/2023 8:24:19 AM PST by icclearly (Q)
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To: daniel1212

Look in the eyes of a hate filled Atheist and compare That to a sinner saved By Grace———
There’s Your manifestation for the existence of GOD.
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XLNT thread Amigo!


185 posted on 12/12/2023 10:32:32 AM PST by Big Red Badger (The Truman Show)
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To: daniel1212

You’re right. I was too picky with words.


186 posted on 12/12/2023 1:05:50 PM PST by reasonisfaith (What are the personal implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: Big Red Badger
XLNT thread Amigo!

Gloria a Dios!

187 posted on 12/12/2023 4:39:55 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: Elsie

thank you for your jelp.


188 posted on 12/12/2023 4:49:11 PM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: Elsie

Simplicity of the Gospel...
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So simple a 6 yrs old understands
Yet a 70 yrs old still ponders.
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Jonah was “saved” by the Fish.


189 posted on 12/12/2023 5:05:57 PM PST by Big Red Badger (The Truman Show)
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