But if it blows UP the White House...
Posted on 12/28/2021 11:40:35 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
In a rather bizarre move, NASA has recruited a British priest to prepare the religious for the discovery of alien life as space agencies claim to be getting closer to discovering evidence that life exists outside of planet earth reports The Times.
Reverend Dr. Andrew Davison, a priest and theology professor at the University of Cambridge, is among 24 theologians who are participating in a program sponsored by NASA at the space agency's Center for Theological Inquiry (CTI) at Princeton University.
The theologians are attempting to assess how major religions would react to news of alien life being found.
The appointment comes as NASA's $10 billion James Webb Space Telescope blasted into space on Christmas day.
The vessel will implement cutting-edge technology to examine every phase of cosmic history inside the solar system to the most distant observable galaxies in the early universe.
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However, in the book of Revelations after the letters to the churches, the church is no longer mentioned when the seals are broken and the trials begin.
“However, in the book of Revelations after the letters to the churches, the church is no longer mentioned when the seals are broken and the trials begin.“
This is often proposed as anecdotal evidence of a pretrib rapture. The Church as a whole (universal body of believers, including the living and dead) is not depicted anywhere in Revelation using that label. Local churches comprised of living believers are specifically addressed in the first 3 chapters. And The Church is depicted symbolically as Christ’s bride toward the latter chapters of the book. Jesus is seen in His glorified state in the early chapters but is depicted as the Lamb for most of the book (and the name Jesus is absent for much of the same section of the book as is “church”).
Further, there is a shift in perspective beginning in chapter 4 to the Heavenly realm. If The Church was fully present there (i.e. the rapture had occurred), wouldn’t the absence of any reference to The Church be counterintuitive for a pretrib rapture? So, as an anecdote, the change of perspective is not an effective argument for a pretrib rapture. Further, the multitude that does suddenly appear in Heaven, coming out of the Great Tribulation in chapter 7, is perhaps as good of a description of raptured saints from the Heavenly perspective as I could hope for. And it should also be noted that neither the rapture (specifically, the gathering of living saints in the air) nor the removal of the wicked from the earth by angels are explicitly described at all in the book.
Addressing the broader issue of dispensationalism with regard to Revelation would require stepping back and doing a larger analysis of the book as a whole. Revelation ties together the entire Bible, and everyone’s doctrine is laid bare by it. A person cannot understand Revelation without relying on a foundation of general biblical knowledge. And if we bring to Revelation any errors in our understanding of the Bible as a whole, we will introduce those errors into the text of Revelation.
As you can you see from my earlier posts, I frequently make long, detailed replies with biblical citations. I’m willing to take the time to do this on this issue as well, and continue this discussion if there is an interest on either of your parts in doing so. I’m not trying to set myself up as the expert or teacher on the subject or that I have all of the answers. I don’t. And I’m not saying I’m not open to being corrected or learning new things. But I rarely hear new viewpoints on the subject, and most of what is put forward in the discussion of it sounds regurgitated rather than representing an ongoing study.
But I am fairly busy and do not wish to do so as a cursory exercise, or if anyone else wishing to discuss these matters has little interest in giving it the time needed to do so.
I’m always looking to fill in the gaps of my knowledge and understanding of these matters, and even if others do not find my arguments persuasive, or if they are unable to bring forward any new insights, I still get a benefit of studying the topic for myself. However, I also take no pleasure in just seeing my thoughts typed out. So I want to avoid a one-sided conversation, if that’s the case.
I provided three relatively objective Wikipedia links to refute your absurd assertion, and you counter with two goof-ball links to anti-Catholic bigots? You’re not just a liar, you’re a joke.
You can believe whatever heresy you want dude.
I used to be Catholic and besides being led by pedophile rapist priests, your “church” leads multitudes to hell with lies and ignorance.
So you can take your assertions and pound sand.
The proof is in your Antichrist “Pope” and what he spouts.
Lies of the devil, his father (possibly yours).
Hell is full of folks who take pride in their religion.
Thank GOD! that the number of pinhead dancing angels has been resolved!
The Book that tells me about the GOD that I believe in has stated:
...created the heavenS and THE earth.
I'd hope that if other 'earths' were created as well, there would be some mention of it.
John 1:3 King James Bible
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
You can duckduckgo it if you’d like. It exists.
OK
They have been pushing it for some time.
It has really become passe.
The marriage of the Lamb in Revelation 19 comes after the fall of Babylon in Revelation 18 and before Christ comes back to earth and throws Satan into the bottomless pit for 1,000 years.
WE are the Bride of Christ, the church. We are in heaven for that marriage and return with Him at the final battle of the Tribulation. We can’t be here on earth at the same time.
If it were relevant to what we need to know for salvation, I’m sure it would have been included.
It astounds me the number of things people think should have been included in Scripture.
Isn’t the Bible already long enough for some folks?
But if it blows UP the White House...
The Brits were tolerable in small doses, the Spanish were unpleasant and the french unspeakable.
Let's not even talk about the Dutch.
The movie might be trash but he was fun.
True. The marriage can’t happen without both the bride and groom. But the marriage happens at the end:
Revelation 19:7-8 (NKJV)
Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready. And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
The premillennial view includes pre-, mid- , and post-tribulational, and pre-wrath rapture views. All of these views assert that there is a rapture of living believers preceded by the resurrection of believers who have died, and the marriage is subsequent.
There will be those who survive Daniel’s seventieth week and become wedding guests. These are people who are saved but are not part of the Church/Bride of Christ. These people will apparently repopulate the earth during the 1000 year reign of Christ, before Satan is ultimately brought to his final end in the Lake of Fire.
The real issue is recognizing the identity of those who follow Christ and are martyred or somehow otherwise enter Heaven in Revelation 6 and 7.
Are we to believe that millions and millions of people will believe the Gospel and face the most intense persecution of believers in human history without the indwelling Holy Spirit and without having even a Gospel preacher to preach to them? Are we to believe that the antichrist rises to power with Satanically inspired deception, working supernatural wonders, deceiving the whole world, and with the whole world even being given over by God to delusion because they had not received the love of the truth, and yet they somehow convert to Christ from every nation, language, and ethnicity of the whole world in mass despite this never happening before during the work of the Holy Spirit through the Church?
I think these tribulation saints must be part of the bride of Christ, the Church. I think they must be the final generation of Church-age believers. I think their being raptured out of the Great Tribulation is the only plausible explanation. And, of course, this means they will be included in the count of believers who make up the bride who marries the Lamb at the end.
The signs that the Great Tribulation is ending and that the Day of the Lord has come are the signs in the Heavens. These include meteors falling to the earth, bringing cataclysmic destruction, and a solar and lunar eclipse (which are apparently combined into a singular even), and the rapture.
Joel 2:28-32 (NKJV)
And it shall come to pass afterward
That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your old men shall dream dreams,
Your young men shall see visions.
And also on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days.
And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth:
Blood and fire and pillars of smoke.
The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.
And it shall come to pass
That whoever calls on the name of the Lord
Shall be saved.
For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance,
As the Lord has said,
Among the remnant whom the Lord calls.
Matthew 24:29-31 (NKJV)
Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Isaiah 2:10-12, & 19 (NKJV)
Enter into the rock, and hide in the dust,
From the terror of the Lord
And the glory of His majesty.
The lofty looks of man shall be humbled,
The haughtiness of men shall be bowed down,
And the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day
For the day of the Lord of hosts
Shall come upon everything proud and lofty,
Upon everything lifted up—
And it shall be brought low—…
They shall go into the holes of the rocks,
And into the caves of the earth,
From the terror of the Lord
And the glory of His majesty,
When He arises to shake the earth mightily.
Revelation 6:9-17 (NKJV)
When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.
I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
Revelation 7:9 & 14b (NKJV)
After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands…
These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Faucie would demand they be vaxxed and Rome will demand their allegiance to the Vatican. And the world church will receive them with open arms.
I suppose that those who come to faith will do it the same way those did before Jesus died, the way the OT saints did. They did not have the same kind of indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit as we do.
The premillennial view includes pre-, mid- , and post-tribulational, and pre-wrath rapture views. All of these views assert that there is a rapture of living believers preceded by the resurrection of believers who have died, and the marriage is subsequent.
Which is based on 1 Corinthians 15:51-57 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.
Because there's a shortage of social workers?
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