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To: metmom; grcuster

True. The marriage can’t happen without both the bride and groom. But the marriage happens at the end:

Revelation 19:7-8 (NKJV)
Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready. And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

The premillennial view includes pre-, mid- , and post-tribulational, and pre-wrath rapture views. All of these views assert that there is a rapture of living believers preceded by the resurrection of believers who have died, and the marriage is subsequent.

There will be those who survive Daniel’s seventieth week and become wedding guests. These are people who are saved but are not part of the Church/Bride of Christ. These people will apparently repopulate the earth during the 1000 year reign of Christ, before Satan is ultimately brought to his final end in the Lake of Fire.

The real issue is recognizing the identity of those who follow Christ and are martyred or somehow otherwise enter Heaven in Revelation 6 and 7.

Are we to believe that millions and millions of people will believe the Gospel and face the most intense persecution of believers in human history without the indwelling Holy Spirit and without having even a Gospel preacher to preach to them? Are we to believe that the antichrist rises to power with Satanically inspired deception, working supernatural wonders, deceiving the whole world, and with the whole world even being given over by God to delusion because they had not received the love of the truth, and yet they somehow convert to Christ from every nation, language, and ethnicity of the whole world in mass despite this never happening before during the work of the Holy Spirit through the Church?

I think these tribulation saints must be part of the bride of Christ, the Church. I think they must be the final generation of Church-age believers. I think their being raptured out of the Great Tribulation is the only plausible explanation. And, of course, this means they will be included in the count of believers who make up the bride who marries the Lamb at the end.

The signs that the Great Tribulation is ending and that the Day of the Lord has come are the signs in the Heavens. These include meteors falling to the earth, bringing cataclysmic destruction, and a solar and lunar eclipse (which are apparently combined into a singular even), and the rapture.

Joel 2:28-32 (NKJV)
And it shall come to pass afterward
That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your old men shall dream dreams,
Your young men shall see visions.
And also on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days.
And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth:
Blood and fire and pillars of smoke.
The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.
And it shall come to pass
That whoever calls on the name of the Lord
Shall be saved.
For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance,
As the Lord has said,
Among the remnant whom the Lord calls.

Matthew 24:29-31 (NKJV)
Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Isaiah 2:10-12, & 19 (NKJV)
Enter into the rock, and hide in the dust,
From the terror of the Lord
And the glory of His majesty.
The lofty looks of man shall be humbled,
The haughtiness of men shall be bowed down,
And the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day
For the day of the Lord of hosts
Shall come upon everything proud and lofty,
Upon everything lifted up—
And it shall be brought low—…
They shall go into the holes of the rocks,
And into the caves of the earth,
From the terror of the Lord
And the glory of His majesty,
When He arises to shake the earth mightily.

Revelation 6:9-17 (NKJV)
When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.
I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

Revelation 7:9 & 14b (NKJV)
After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands…
These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


137 posted on 12/29/2021 3:43:48 PM PST by unlearner (Be ready for war.)
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To: unlearner
Well, there are the 144,000 sealed Jews from each of the 12 tribes of Israel, along with the two witnesses who witness to unbelievers during the Tribulation.

I suppose that those who come to faith will do it the same way those did before Jesus died, the way the OT saints did. They did not have the same kind of indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit as we do.

The premillennial view includes pre-, mid- , and post-tribulational, and pre-wrath rapture views. All of these views assert that there is a rapture of living believers preceded by the resurrection of believers who have died, and the marriage is subsequent.

Which is based on 1 Corinthians 15:51-57 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.

139 posted on 12/29/2021 6:34:00 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…)
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