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"I knew my brother was suffering." ~ Ancient Roots of the Doctrine of Purgatory, Part I
Gloria Romanorum ^ | Florentius

Posted on 11/02/2019 8:30:32 AM PDT by Antoninus

The idea of Purgatory as an intermediary state between Heaven and Hell is one of the most misunderstood and occasionally ridiculed aspects of Catholic doctrine. Though it is common for Protestants and even some Catholics to assume that Purgatory has no foundation in Sacred Scripture, that claim is actually false. The need for Purgatory developed from a close reading of Scripture by the Fathers of the Church, and the concept has a provenance stretching back to the earliest days of the Church. Furthermore, it has come to my attention recently that the Orthodox have a similar understanding of the need for purification before entering Heaven, even if their understanding of that purgation is not the same as that of the Catholic Church.

See Part II of this post here.

One of the earliest accounts of a Purgatory-like place comes from an unexpected source, indeed one of the Mothers of the Church, rather than one of the Fathers. Dating from about AD 203, the authentic account of the Passion of Saint Perpetua details a poignant vision which Perpetua experienced immediately prior to her martyrdom. The words of this early Christian martyr, as written in Latin in her prison diary, speak for themselves:

After a few days, while we were all praying, on a sudden, in the middle of our prayer, there came to me a word, and I named Dinocrates. And I was amazed that that name had never come into my mind until then, and I was grieved as I remembered his misfortune. And I felt myself immediately to be worthy, and to be called on to ask on his behalf. And for him I began earnestly to make supplication, and to cry with groaning to the Lord.

Without delay, on that very night, this was shown to me in a vision. I saw Dinocrates going out from a gloomy place, where also there were several others, and he was parched and very thirsty, with a filthy countenance and pallid color, and the wound on his face which he had when he died. This Dinocrates had been my brother after the flesh, seven years of age who died miserably with disease—his face being so eaten out with cancer, that his death caused repugnance to all men. For him I had made my prayer, and between him and me there was a large interval, so that neither of us could approach to the other. And moreover, in the same place where Dinocrates was, there was a pool full of water, having its brink higher than was the stature of the boy, and Dinocrates raised himself up as if to drink. And I was grieved that, although that pool held water, still, on account of the height to its brink, he could not drink. And I was aroused, and knew that my brother was in suffering. But I trusted that my prayers would bring help to his suffering; and I prayed for him every day until we passed over into the prison of the camp, for we were to fight in the camp-show. Then was the birthday of Geta Cæsar, and I made my prayer for my brother day and night, groaning and weeping that he might be granted to me.

Then, on the day on which we remained in fetters, this was shown to me. I saw that that place which I had formerly observed to be in gloom was now bright, and Dinocrates, with a clean body well clad, was finding refreshment. And where there had been a wound, I saw a scar, and that pool which I had before seen, I saw now with its margin lowered even to the boy's navel. And one drew water from the pool incessantly, and upon its brink was a goblet filled with water. And Dinocrates drew near and began to drink from it, and the goblet did not fail. And when he was satisfied, he went away from the water to play joyously, after the manner of children, and I awoke. Then I understood that he was translated from the place of punishment.

While mysterious and certainly not covering all of the Catholic Church's criteria for Purgatory, Perpetua's vision seems to confirm the belief that the souls of the dead benefit from the prayers of the living, particularly those about to endure martyrdom for the sake of Christ.

Update: September 4, 2018:

The Passion of Saints Perpetua and Felicitas is related in full in I Am a Christian: Authentic Accounts of Christian Martyrdom and Persecution from the Ancient Sources. This book is a collection of the best ancient sources on the persecution of early Christians and well worth having if you are interested in this topic.

Some additional sources on the origin of Purgatory, including a large excerpt from Pope Saint Gregory the Great who formalized much of what we believe about Purgatory today, will be included in a subsequent post.


TOPICS: Catholic; History; Orthodox Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: allsoulsday; cleansingfire; extrabiblical; falseprophets; holysouls; indulgences; lds; moneychangers; paganism; purgatory; romancatholic; traditionsofmen
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For All Souls Day, November 2.
1 posted on 11/02/2019 8:30:32 AM PDT by Antoninus
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To: ebb tide; Salvation; Mrs. Don-o

Prayers for the dead. Catholic ping!


2 posted on 11/02/2019 8:37:29 AM PDT by Antoninus ("In Washington, swamp drain you.")
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To: Antoninus

And so the concept of purgatory comes from some woman somewhere that had a “vision” and a goofy interpretation of Matt 12:32 “That he which speaketh blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, that it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.” (How this can be interpreted as purgatory I have no idea.)

Just hope the Catholic Church doesn’t start marketing timeshares.


3 posted on 11/02/2019 8:41:11 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
from some woman somewhere

Way to minimize the witness of an early martyr who willingly gave her life for Christ and whose life and death were subsequently celebrated throughout the Christian world. Good grief.

Saint Perpetua's name is remembered even now 1,800 years after her courageous and holy death. Will yours be?
4 posted on 11/02/2019 8:47:11 AM PDT by Antoninus ("In Washington, swamp drain you.")
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To: Antoninus

To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. No Biblical prophet ever spoke of a Purgatory or for people to be either prayed out or bought out of it.


5 posted on 11/02/2019 8:50:08 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: SkyDancer
No Biblical prophet ever spoke of a Purgatory or for people to be either prayed out or bought out of it.

No Biblical prophet spoke of the Trinity, either.

But plenty of Church Fathers and early Christian martyrs did. Is their witness worthless? I think not. It is certainly worth more than the made-up theology of the "johnny-come-latelys" of the last 500 years.
6 posted on 11/02/2019 8:54:12 AM PDT by Antoninus ("In Washington, swamp drain you.")
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To: SkyDancer
No Biblical prophet ever spoke of a Purgatory or for people to be either prayed out or bought out of it.

Where did the souls of the holy people of ancient Israel go after they died?

7 posted on 11/02/2019 8:56:25 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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To: Antoninus; SkyDancer

The concept of the Trinity has no practical daily function. On the other hand, if failure to live a good life meant you were going to spend hundreds of years in torment because Jesus didn’t really pay the full price of your sins, don’t you think SOMEONE would have mentioned it?

Something like, “I say then, walk by the Spirit and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. After all, who wants to spend hundreds of years being tortured by God because you didn’t try hard enough in this world?”


8 posted on 11/02/2019 8:59:16 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: Antoninus

How would it change your life if you learned that purgatory does not exist?


9 posted on 11/02/2019 8:59:49 AM PDT by lurk
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To: Antoninus

Thank you for posting, both parts of the article are worth reading.


10 posted on 11/02/2019 9:08:16 AM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Alberta's Child

A place called Paradise - not some Purgatory. If souls are supposedly cleansed in this Purgatory then what purpose was Yeshua crucified for?


11 posted on 11/02/2019 9:16:10 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: Mr Rogers

It’s not this “tried enough” that counts, it’s the belief that Yeshua is the Son and believe in him who took on the sins of the world; yours, mine, everyone.


12 posted on 11/02/2019 9:18:05 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: Antoninus
Now that is a statement directly parallel to and constructed entirely the same as the fact that none of the engineers and inventors developing engines in the early eighteen fifties and eighteen sixties believed in mixing fuel with air because not one of them ever used the word carburation.

Thank you for that brilliant insight, Antonius.

We are pleased with your explanation that nobody believes things until a word specifically describing that one thing is coined.

You truly are an intellectual and theological marvel.

13 posted on 11/02/2019 9:30:55 AM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptors)
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To: Antoninus

“ Dating from about AD 203”

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Not the earliest days of the church.

Not Apostolic.

Not in Scripture.

Simply a pagan belief Catholicism added.


14 posted on 11/02/2019 9:34:50 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: SkyDancer

You mean Jesus. I go with the Greek title of His name.


15 posted on 11/02/2019 9:35:08 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Antoninus; Al Hitan; Coleus; DuncanWaring; ebb tide; Fedora; irishjuggler; Jaded; JoeFromSidney; ...

Ping


16 posted on 11/02/2019 9:36:45 AM PDT by ebb tide (I am Christeros. I am Michael Del Bufalo.)
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To: Antoninus

“ No Biblical prophet spoke of the Trinity, either.

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The term “Trinity” is an expression that describes what God reveals in Scripture - unlike the term “purgatory” which is pagan.


17 posted on 11/02/2019 9:37:03 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Biggirl

Since He was Jewish I go with his Jewish name. Since I’m Jewish I use His name when talking about Him.


18 posted on 11/02/2019 9:37:43 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: Biggirl

PS: Did you know that the name “Jesus” is less than 400 years old?


19 posted on 11/02/2019 9:39:34 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: SkyDancer

It is the Greek, have you ever heard of “koine” Greek?


20 posted on 11/02/2019 9:52:03 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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