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"I knew my brother was suffering." ~ Ancient Roots of the Doctrine of Purgatory, Part I
Gloria Romanorum ^ | Florentius

Posted on 11/02/2019 8:30:32 AM PDT by Antoninus

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To: Mr Rogers

“Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God ...” An unbelieving heart has not been born from above. Paul tells you that WHEN born from above, that spirit cannot sin (unbelief is a sin)because GOD;s Seed in that one abides. Did you catch that? This argument for keeping yourself saved is due to a misunderstanding of the three tenses of Saved. ONLY GOD can have saved you. Only God can push aside your fleshly nature to reveal His Life in your alive spirit. ONLY GOD can transform you in the twinkiling of an eye. If you want to grow in Grace and knowledge then you must submit your flesh to God’s cleansing, daily, in fear and trembling because it is GOD Who is in you both to will and to do of HIS good pleasure.


401 posted on 11/13/2019 2:08:16 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: ealgeone

The myth of purgatory is rejected because of what the Bible actually says, like the event of the Rapture, no purgatory during the twinkling of an eye. we are transformed to ‘fit for eternal living, physically, in soul, and to match our new born status with the Righteousness of Christ. But it appears pope Gregory was not familiar with the letters to the Thessalonians ...


402 posted on 11/13/2019 2:27:16 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN
But it appears pope Gregory was not familiar with the letters to the Thessalonians ...

It appears a lot of Roman Catholics are not familiar with a great deal of the New Testament.

403 posted on 11/13/2019 2:30:48 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

God is not going to ‘cleanse’ the flesh, He has told us through Paul that He, GOD, will give us a new soul and body when Jesus comes in the air to gather us and take us to The Father’s House.


404 posted on 11/13/2019 2:31:51 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Mr Rogers; ealgeone; MHGinTN; boatbums; metmom; aMorePerfectUnion; Iscool
Thanks for complying with standard procedure in presenting an argument that can be dealt with in a rational fashion.

According to what you presented, "if" is questionable, but nowhere do any of the translations say that anyone described had done as shown in the profile of experience. In fact, all these do strengthen and amplify my contention that this refers to someone born under the Law who must transition to the New Covenant or "be left behind."

Judas Iscariot and Simon barJonah definitely fit the profile, whereas a post-Pentecost Gentile may not.

More later. Quit or not, that's your choice. But if you choose to continue, your compliance with ordinary courtesy and known standards for communicating are preferred.

405 posted on 11/13/2019 3:34:07 PM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1

No matter brother, we will ‘splain it to him’ on the way up. Those in Christ don’t have to believe they have a ticket for the up in order to take the ride. God has decided they will be Raptured when He imputed the Righteousness of Christ to them and put eternal life in their spirit.


406 posted on 11/13/2019 4:48:44 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Mark17

Meant to ping you.


407 posted on 11/13/2019 4:49:15 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: ealgeone
IF you’re asserting a person can lose their salvation based on this passage then you have to admit once it’s lost....it’s lost for good.

I am a OSAS kind of guy, but let’s assume for a moment that one can lose their salvation. At what point in their life would they lose it? Which sin would take them over the edge, to loss of salvation? The Bible seems to indicate if people can lose their salvation, they can’t get it back again. As you know, I am an ex catholic (thank God for that) but I was taught I could lose my salvation by doing a mortal sin, but I could get it back by going to confession to a priest. Lots of false doctrine out there. 😁😆🤔

408 posted on 11/13/2019 6:17:22 PM PST by Mark17 (Dad of Air Force Officer in pilot training. US Air Force aircraft, go faster than US Army tanks)
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To: Mark17
Under the RCC model I would be in constant fear of losing salvation...based on their rules, but not the NT.

How would you know if/when you did lose it? Was it an actual deed or a thought that caused you to lose it?

What would you do until you could get to the priest?

I tell ya....if I were a RC, I'd never let the priest out of my site.

No wonder so many RCs are turning to idolatry through the Brown Scapular promising those who wear it will avoid the eternal fire.

Think about that.

The RC is willing to believe the false promises of an apparition over the true promises of the Savior.

They are truly deceived who listen to the apparition over the Savior.

409 posted on 11/14/2019 5:20:49 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

A good case in point is where the truth regarding Fatima is exposed alongside the mythos the RCC leadership supports and promotes. The Bible warns about preferring to believe a lie.


410 posted on 11/14/2019 6:29:31 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: imardmd1; Iscool; MHGinTN; Mr. Roberts
Another correction to my Post #376: Jn. 5:24

Sorry again!

411 posted on 11/24/2019 9:10:56 PM PST by imardmd1
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