"I knew my brother was suffering." ~ Ancient Roots of the Doctrine of Purgatory, Part I

Gloria Romanorum ^ | Florentius

[Antoninus]

For All Souls Day, November 2.

[Antoninus]

Prayers for the dead. Catholic ping!

[HarleyD]

And so the concept of purgatory comes from some woman somewhere that had a “vision” and a goofy interpretation of Matt 12:32 “That he which speaketh blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, that it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.” (How this can be interpreted as purgatory I have no idea.)

Just hope the Catholic Church doesn’t start marketing timeshares.

[Antoninus]

from some woman somewhere

Way to minimize the witness of an early martyr who willingly gave her life for Christ and whose life and death were subsequently celebrated throughout the Christian world. Good grief.

Saint Perpetua's name is remembered even now 1,800 years after her courageous and holy death. Will yours be?

[SkyDancer]

To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. No Biblical prophet ever spoke of a Purgatory or for people to be either prayed out or bought out of it.

[Antoninus]

No Biblical prophet ever spoke of a Purgatory or for people to be either prayed out or bought out of it.

No Biblical prophet spoke of the Trinity, either.

But plenty of Church Fathers and early Christian martyrs did. Is their witness worthless? I think not. It is certainly worth more than the made-up theology of the "johnny-come-latelys" of the last 500 years.

[Alberta's Child]

No Biblical prophet ever spoke of a Purgatory or for people to be either prayed out or bought out of it.

Where did the souls of the holy people of ancient Israel go after they died?

[Mr Rogers]

The concept of the Trinity has no practical daily function. On the other hand, if failure to live a good life meant you were going to spend hundreds of years in torment because Jesus didn’t really pay the full price of your sins, don’t you think SOMEONE would have mentioned it?

Something like, “I say then, walk by the Spirit and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. After all, who wants to spend hundreds of years being tortured by God because you didn’t try hard enough in this world?”

[lurk]

How would it change your life if you learned that purgatory does not exist?

[Ronaldus Magnus]

Thank you for posting, both parts of the article are worth reading.

[SkyDancer]

A place called Paradise - not some Purgatory. If souls are supposedly cleansed in this Purgatory then what purpose was Yeshua crucified for?

[SkyDancer]

It’s not this “tried enough” that counts, it’s the belief that Yeshua is the Son and believe in him who took on the sins of the world; yours, mine, everyone.

[MrEdd]

Now that is a statement directly parallel to and constructed entirely the same as the fact that none of the engineers and inventors developing engines in the early eighteen fifties and eighteen sixties believed in mixing fuel with air because not one of them ever used the word carburation.

Thank you for that brilliant insight, Antonius.

We are pleased with your explanation that nobody believes things until a word specifically describing that one thing is coined.

You truly are an intellectual and theological marvel.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“ Dating from about AD 203”

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Not the earliest days of the church.

Not Apostolic.

Not in Scripture.

Simply a pagan belief Catholicism added.

[Biggirl]

You mean Jesus. I go with the Greek title of His name.

[ebb tide]

Ping

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“ No Biblical prophet spoke of the Trinity, either.

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The term “Trinity” is an expression that describes what God reveals in Scripture - unlike the term “purgatory” which is pagan.

[SkyDancer]

Since He was Jewish I go with his Jewish name. Since I’m Jewish I use His name when talking about Him.

[SkyDancer]

PS: Did you know that the name “Jesus” is less than 400 years old?

[Biggirl]

It is the Greek, have you ever heard of “koine” Greek?