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Inside the Religious Right’s hive mind: Why Trump was booed & Carson cheered at Values Voter Summit
Salon ^ | September 28, 2015 | Heather Digby Parton

Posted on 09/28/2015 7:00:45 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Over the past several days, GOP hopefuls looked to curry favor with hardcore culture warriors. Here's what happened.

Last week was one for the political books. The Pope brought his message about the need to help the poor and deal with climate change to America, apparently leading Catholic Supreme Court Justices Scalia, Alito and Thomas to boycott his historic speech to a joint session of Congress. At the same time, the evangelical activist community held its annual Values Voter Summit featuring many of the GOP presidential candidates who once would have been excited to celebrate the pope’s visit but were instead rather sullen and unhappy about his apparent desire to talk about that Jesus fellow and his message of love and tolerance instead of policing the sexual habits of women and scolding gay people for being gay.

And right in the middle of all this, the Speaker of the House abruptly resigned his seat because he was about to lose his office at the hands of extremists who want to shut down the government in order to destroy Planned Parenthood. Oh, and of the leading Republican presidential candidates, Dr. Ben Carson spent the week doubling down on his contention that Muslims must renounce their religion in order to prove they will follow the constitution — which says there must be no religious test for office. It’s been a memorable week for religion in American politics.

The pope’s visit was received with ecstatic excitement by Catholics, the news media and a good many Democrats of all faiths. Catholics are always happy to see the Pope, for obvious reasons, but this one is particularly accessible and has such a serene and open demeanor that it’s even more thrilling than usual. This visit seems to have been a tremendous success among the faithful. The news media are excited because they must believe the pope’s visit is a ratings grabber since they’ve been covering his every movement from the moment his plane set down at Andrews Air Force base. Hours of watching planes on the tarmac of various airports and convoys of official vehicles is evidently something the viewing public has been hungry to see. And finally, Democrats are happy because this Pope is addressing their concerns during a political campaign in which the issues of inequality, climate change and poverty are front and center of their agenda. (And they are undoubtedly relieved that the Pope didn’t harp on the issue of women’s rights.)

The Pope’s visit was good for everyone but Republicans, many of whom are Catholics themselves and have spent the last few decades cultivating a Religious Right movement that merged many of the issues in common with the evangelical protestant and conservative jewish communities in America. There was a time not very long ago that the Catholic Church hierarchy was so openly biased in favor of the Republican Party that the American bishops wanted the Pope to excommunicate presidential candidate John Kerry for being pro-choice. I have written before about the growing schism in that coalition and it’s never been more obvious than during this past week. As Catholics all over the country were making pilgrimages to catch a glimpse of the pope, Jeb Bush, a practicing Catholic, found it necessary to distance himself from the pope on climate change, declaring that “he is not a scientist” (actually, he is) and “put aside Pope Francis on the subject of any political conversation,” which is wishful thinking on his part. Democrats still await the Bishops’ call for his excommunication for failing to follow the Pope’s teachings on climate change.

It was fascinating to watch the Values Voter Summit try to deal with the Catholic deviation from the Republican path. Neither Jeb Bush nor Carly Fiorina attended citing “scheduling difficulties.” In Bush’s case it makes sense that he would schedule something else since everyone but the money boys find him to be squishy on all their issues. Fiorina made a big mistake since this group is extolling her for her relentless Planned Parenthood lies and she could have expected to get a very warm reception. (They admire a politician who is blatantly dishonest for their cause. It shows commitment.) The rest of the candidates mostly ignored the fact that the pope was in the country at all, which could never have been anticipated a few years ago. It appears he is officially no longer welcome on their team.

The big winner of the straw poll was Senator Ted Cruz, followed by Dr. Ben Carson. Cruz gave a fire-breathing speech that knocked the participants’ socks off, as he usually does. But there is something about Cruz, despite him checking off every box for this crowd, that just can’t seem to translate into the national polls. They wildly cheer his crazy talk but they apparently can’t see him as a president. One suspects that they’ll eventually see Carson the same way.

It was Marco Rubio who may have made the greatest impact. Not only was his speech received very positively, the crowd booed Donald Trump when he called Rubio a clown. (They don’t mind Trump criticizing Rubio’s immigration flip flop, but they don’t like the name calling, which means they want Rubio to maintain respect, a telling desire.) Rubio had the good fortune to be the one to announce that Speaker John Boehner had resigned his seat and received the appreciation the bearer of such good news can expect. As The Hill reported, he smoothly fit the news into his message of generational change:

Conservative voters roared in a standing ovation Friday at the Values Voter Summit in Washington after Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) announced Speaker John Boehner’s (R-Ohio) plans to retire.

Rubio, who is running for president, shared the news that broke just before his speech, working it into prepared remarks where he questioned why a Republican Congress isn’t “able to stop our country from sliding in the wrong direction.”

“Just a few minutes ago, Speaker Boehner announced that he will be resigning,” Rubio said to thunderous applause.

“With all due respect to people who serve in government — it is important at this moment, with respect to him and the service he has provided to our country — it’s not about him, and I’m not here today to bash anyone, but the time has come to turn the page.”

One assumes that the reason everyone was so happy is that they, along with the rest of the GOP, believes that John Boehner, like Eric Cantor and other Republican leaders, have failed to deliver on the promises they made when they won a congressional majority. Someone forgot to inform them that the president has a veto and that the courts are an equal branch of government. The presidential candidates are taking their point seriously, however. With the exception of Jeb Bush and John Kasich, every one of them has tacitly or overtly endorsed shutting down the government over Planned Parenthood. It should be interesting to see how that plays out over the next couple of weeks.

That brings us to the final religious moment of the summit in which Dr Ben Carson doubled down on his proposed religious test for Muslims, in which they would be required to disavow certain tenets of fundamentalist Islam before being allowed to be president, insisting that it is necessary to protect the integrity of the Constitution. Having it pointed out repeatedly that the constitution expressly forbids any religious test to qualify for office failed to convince him or his followers that this is a nonsensical concept, particularly for a party which is fetishizing the notion of “religious freedom.”

(The Values Voter Summit gave an award to Kim Davis, the country clerk from Kentucky who refused to issue marriage licenses to gay couples even as Dr Carson was saying that Muslims should be refused the right to run for office because of Muslim prejudice against gays.)

What all this adds up to in unknown beyond the fact that Republicans are both confused and energized. This was best illustrated by Donald Trump’s appearance at the Summit in which he was booed for insulting Rubio but brought the crowd back around by promising to fight the War On Christmas with everything he has:

“I love Christmas. You go to stores now, and it doesn’t say Christmas. It says ‘Happy holidays.’ All over! I say, where’s Christmas? I tell my wife, ‘Don’t go to those stores.’ I want to see Christmas! Other people can have their holidays, but Christmas is Christmas. I want to see ‘Merry Christmas.’ Remember the expression ‘Merry Christmas?’ You don’t see it. You’re going to see it if I’m elected.”

After all is said and done that may just be the only thing all the various factions of the 2016 Republican party can agree upon.


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Ever notice that the Left, as a whole, like Marco Rubio and are cheering him on?
1 posted on 09/28/2015 7:00:45 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I didn’t watch the video of this but those that did said they were boong when Rubio’s name was mentioned, not at Trump

Who saw the video??
What is truth ??


2 posted on 09/28/2015 7:03:53 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yup.

If a crowd boos Marco La Raza when Trump says his name, obviously they are really booing Trump.


3 posted on 09/28/2015 7:04:11 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: silverleaf

I did. Wasn’t clear, although later they booed other references to pols, so it’s LIKELY they were booing Rubio. Frank Luntz said they were booing Rubio.


4 posted on 09/28/2015 7:04:33 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The slight problem with the premise is that Trump was booed - in reality he wasn’t booed.


5 posted on 09/28/2015 7:05:27 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: silverleaf

Trump called Rubio a clown, and then went on to criticize his voting record.


6 posted on 09/28/2015 7:06:24 AM PDT by petercooper (And I was born in the back seat of a Greyhound bus... Rollin' down Highway 41.)
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To: silverleaf

Trump called Rubio a clown, and then went on to criticize his voting record.


7 posted on 09/28/2015 7:07:08 AM PDT by petercooper (And I was born in the back seat of a Greyhound bus... Rollin' down Highway 41.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ever notice how Leftists project their failing on the Right?

Compare and contrast the Left and the Right

Who allows dissenting political views and honest hearing and who ruthlessly crushes anyone in the movement who does not faithful tow the party line 100%?

The stench of hypocrisy wafting off Salon is overwhelming.


8 posted on 09/28/2015 7:07:18 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Frank Luntz of all people said they weren’t booing Trump but what he said, agreed with him.


9 posted on 09/28/2015 7:09:03 AM PDT by Kenny
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hive mind? Does this mean that we can’t think for ourselves?


10 posted on 09/28/2015 7:11:21 AM PDT by Daveinyork ("Trusting government with money and power is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys",)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lefty delusions are always good for a gratuitous chuckle.


11 posted on 09/28/2015 7:11:41 AM PDT by Seruzawa (All those memories will be lost,in time, like tears in rain.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Salon is ridiculous.... those ‘boos’ sounded directed at Rubio when Trump mentioned his name


12 posted on 09/28/2015 7:12:04 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How I’d love to see millions of people take to the street this year and sing Christmas Carrols.....Like “O Little Town of Bethlehem”....etc etc


13 posted on 09/28/2015 7:12:06 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: silverleaf

Yep. Even Frank Luntz, pointing out that he’s not usually a Trump defender, tweeted that it was clearly Rubio’s name getting the boos.

More disinformation from our media.


14 posted on 09/28/2015 7:13:11 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: petercooper

But the booing started before the clown comment correct?
Booing started as soon as rubios name was mentioned?

Please truth only from actual viewers , not people telling me what the press reported


15 posted on 09/28/2015 7:14:40 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: 9YearLurker

Thank you


16 posted on 09/28/2015 7:15:18 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Daveinyork
Hive mind? Does this mean that we can’t think for ourselves?

Didn't you get the memo? ;-P

17 posted on 09/28/2015 7:16:38 AM PDT by MortMan (The rule of law is now the law of rulings - Judicial, IRS, EPA...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Who cares...Ted Cruz won the damn thing!!!


18 posted on 09/28/2015 7:16:51 AM PDT by ontap
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Salon reminds me of Goebbels-like anti-Jewish propaganda, meant to dehumanize a class of people.


19 posted on 09/28/2015 7:19:32 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: LS
At this point, I feel that a Trump presidency for four years is a real good idea. He has the strategic skills, life experience, and connections to get the US on a different course, away from self-destruction.

I LOVED it when he called out traitor John McCain, when he exposed Megyn Kelley for being a hack not a journalist, when he (fingers crossed) makes it impossible for Jeb to be nominated. If not for him, voter disgust would not have a way to manifest itself. I love that he's assaulting politically correct speech...it's what turns us into a nation of unthinking cowards. He's correct about the wall (heck, Hungary built one in a few weeks) and anyone in the US illegally having to go home. He gets it that we need US jobs for US citizens. He helped drive Boehner out of office. He channels all that into a "mad as hell" movement.

What's my point? Look how long that list is, and it isn't even complete, what Trump has accomplished in three months. Maybe people would like it better if he stopped the insults about appearance and demeanor. Trump's got center stage. When someone insults Trump personally or about his issues, he should go point for point, coming right back at the critique with a direct response in kind.

Whatever his problem with issues, Marco's well liked. Go after his position about illegals, not his haircut or youth. And be careful....Marco's real informed and nuanced about foreign affairs. That's a place where he could be an ally.

JMHO, from someone who really thinks it's either Trump or very soon we're in the trash heap of failed civilizations.

End of rant....had to get those thoughts typed out.

20 posted on 09/28/2015 7:20:32 AM PDT by grania
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