WHAT ARE THE MARYLIKE STANDARDS?

http://cora.dashjr.org/trad/modesty.html#chap3 ^ | 8/25/2011 | Morgana's BVM Vanity

[Morgana]

"A dress cannot be called decent which is cut deeper than two fingers' breadth under the pit of the throat;; which does not cover the arms at least to the elbows; and scarcely reaches a bit beyond the knees. Furthermore, dresses of transparent material are improper." (The Cardinal vicar of Pope Pius XI)

Marylike is modest without compromise, "like Mary", Christ's Mother. Marylike dresses have sleeves extending at least to the elbows; and skirts reaching below the knees. Acceptable Marylike Standards have been revealed in many private revelations since 1917 throughout the world. One of these standards is the dress or skirt should be at least three inches below the bottom of the knee. Our Blessed Mother was very specific in one of these private revelations commenting that when a woman sits down her dress or skirt should cover her knees with the requested three inches. Our bodies are not all the same size and contour. Therefore some women may have to add additional inches to their dresses and skirts because when sitting down the dress or skirt has a tendency to pull the garment up leaving the knees exposed. (NOTE: Because of market conditions, quarter-length sleeves are temporarily tolerated with Ecclesiastical Approval, until Christian womanhood again turns to Mary as the model of modesty in dress.) Marylike dresses require full coverage for the bodice, chest, shoulders and back; except for a cut-out about the neck not exceeding two inches below the neckline in front and in the back, and a corresponding two inches on the shoulders.

Marylike dresses do not admit as modest coverage transparent fabrics, laces, nets, organdy, nylons, etc. unless sufficient backing is added. However, their moderate use as trimmings is acceptable.

Marylike dresses avoid the improper use of fleshcolored fabrics.

[IronJack]

Where do you get the idea there are decency police with clubs?

I didn't say there were. My point was that dress should be a choice, not a regulation. I salute women who dress modestly. But as much as that, I salute women who dress the way THEY want, not the way men or society or whoremongers or prudes or their girlfriends or Sex in the City or anyone else tells them to.

[lastchance]

I live in the subtropics sleeves down to the elbow would have me suffering from heat stroke.

[the OlLine Rebel]

Then your comment about clubs was specious.

[Morgana]

Okay....now are all of you done acting like I have come in here to declare Catholic Shiria? Several days ago we had thread about women (and men) who do not dress correctly for Mass. So posted this as a reminder on what proper dress for a Catholic woman is. My how some of us have forgotten. Yes I do agree that it is best if it comes from the heart and is not forced like is done in Saudi Arabia. However this type of behavior starts in the home and in the early years. How many of your young daughters, or you know of young girls who have pictures of Brittney Spears on their wall? Or how about Lindsey Lohan? What do you think these images do you young girls? I apologize to the mods here but I am trying to make a point. Girls look at these, girls idolize these, and girls want to be these teen stars!!! I know I did!!! Remember this one????? Yea! I am that old! I wanted to look like her, to dress like her and to be her. I did dress like her and you know what? My parents never know because what they saw leaving the house and what I had on after was two different things. It was amazing that an actress thousands of miles away had this much power over me as a teen. I was not Catholic then. Had I been it might have been another story and the real "Madonna" would have had more influence over me. Like it should be for all girls? I encourage all parents to have the Blessed Virgin Mary as a role model for their daughter. I don't care if you are Catholic or not. To have them put of posters of Mary and not Brittney, Lindsey, Paris or whoever... I believe this will encourage better dress in them. The Blessed Virgin is the role model women need in today's world full of people like Oprah, women on the View, and as one of you said "Sex and the City". Okay I don't think they will dress exactly like Mary but they won't be the little tramps we see today. Ladies what is your take on this?

[the OlLine Rebel]

I agree. I am embarrassed by these "fully dressed" women. Never mind the flack I got a few years ago for calling out Mrs. Thompson on her risque dresses, representing "Republicans".

Although in general circulation (as opposed to concerts, which were yucky), "Madonna" Cicone mostly suffered from literally trashy dressing. Which I didn't mind. Metaphorical trashy was much worse.

[Tax-chick]

I think that girls who present themselves in a manner that indicates respect for themselves as complete human beings will attract decent men, while girls who present themselves as a pair of b**** and a b*** will attract males who are basically a walking p****. (Pardon the anatomy.) Anoreth always has nice young men around ... not that anyone would mistake her for Mary or any other historic lady, since she’s wearing jeans and a sweatshirt, when she’s not in uniform.

I also think that the sight of me in shorts is less in the category of “occasion of lust” and more in the category of “Oh, dear ...” although my varicose veins might arouse some avarice in a cosmetic surgeon.

[lastchance]

I did no such thing. I can see no reason why it is immodest for a female to wear short sleeve or sleeveless attire (not talking about tight low cut shirts) especially in very hot weather. If the sight of a pair of arms is gonnas intice lust then the problem is too deep rooted in the poor dweebs mind for any mode of dress to pass his muster.

Where is the article demanding that men guard their eyes?

[IronJack]

Then your comment about clubs was specious.

My comment about clubs was exactly what I intended it to be: an illustration of the other end of the license spectrum. Enforced modesty by violence. I'll take skin-bearing licentiousness over Taliban oppression any day.

[Tax-chick]

I'll take skin-bearing licentiousness over Taliban oppression any day.

What do you gain by posing this false dichotomy? We all know it's false, and that even in the Islamic world, most of the people of all periods have worn more clothes than are commonly covering the women in my Walmart or the girls in the local middle school, and less than those prescribed by today's extreme Islamists.

If you are expressing a preference for tiny shorts and cut-off tank tops over all other options - slacks and a crew-neck t-shirt, for example - why do you not do so openly, rather than proposing and then attacking rules for which nobody on the thread or in the article has expressed support?

We do understand that a great many males like to look at women dressed in few or no clothes, and that they often spend money, sometimes large amounts, to enjoy this activity.

[the OlLine Rebel]

Your comment implying that Catholic doctrine (e.g.) on dress automatically leads to clubbing people for violation is specious.

Moslems are different from Catholics. I don’t pretend they all end up the same.

[Bigg Red]

You are so right on so many comments, Morgana. Girls today are just getting so many horrible messages from the media.

When I was a girl, in the 1950s and 1960s, there were quite a few restrictions on the way girls dressed and behaved. Between my mother and the sisters who taught me through 12 years of Catholic school, I learned the value of modesty and the sacredness of virginity. The young people of today have been left with a disgusting array of choices, and too few people — including their parents — are pointing them in the right direction.

[yldstrk]

Look Iron

These are instructions for Catholics who wish to demonstrate love for God and Mary by following them. There were never any “Decency Police.”

I think these are awesome. You should see some of the inappropriate get ups women wear to court. If they would follow these guidelines, they would always be appropriately dressed.

[yldstrk]

You obviously aren’t Catholic and your question is from second grade.

[Morgana]

“When I was a girl, in the 1950s and 1960s, there were quite a few restrictions on the way girls dressed and behaved. Between my mother and the sisters who taught me through 12 years of Catholic school, I learned the value of modesty and the sacredness of virginity. The young people of today have been left with a disgusting array of choices, and too few people — including their parents — are pointing them in the right direction.”

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Now did you all catch this? This is not “Decency Police” this is something that is taught to children when they are young. Okay I will give my parents credit they tried. However it is not till after I became Catholic and learned so much of the Virgin Mary (and still am) that I understand this. I can’t explain to you why it was the Blessed Virgin. I don’t care why. I only am grateful that God has taught me these things through her. I only wish I had learned and understood sooner before I made an a** of myself but hey I was young then. I am older and wiser now. Thanks be to God.

[Salvation]

My husband always said the more a dress did NOT reveal, the more appealing a woman was. (Is it what can’t be seen that draws men to a woman?)

[A.A. Cunningham]

Apparently you've forgotten the smackdown you received in 431 AD at the Council of Ephesus, Nestorius.

"And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" Luke 1:43

[IronJack]

What do you gain by posing this false dichotomy?

The dichotomy isn't false. It merely represents two extremes on a continuum.

If you are expressing a preference for tiny shorts and cut-off tank tops ...

I am expressing no such preference. This thread isn't about my preferences in dress. It is about the preferences of some women and their rights to indulge those preferences, even over the objections of others.

We do understand that a great many males like to look at women dressed in few or no clothes ...

I'm not sure who "we" is, but your observation is true, if patently obvious and not particularly germane.

[Tax-chick]

Presenting two extremes - or any two points - as if they are the only points - “this” or “that,” leaving out everything else - is the definition of “false dichotomy.”

Nobody has challenged anyone’s “right” to wear what they choose. The discussion was about the moral (and taste) implications of various types of dress.

The rules of Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan are “not germane” to the issue of suggestions for appropriate dress for Christian women, although, for some reason, you wish to claim they are.

[Cronos]

Mary was the mother of Jesus. Christ was with God in the beginning

Interesting, so are you saying that the two natures of Jesus Christ are separate? That He was not 100% man and 100% God?

[RoadTest]

“Apparently you’ve forgotten the smackdown you received in 431 AD at the Council of Ephesus, Nestorius.
“And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?” Luke 1:43”

- - - or the one at the council of Trent that O.K.d the killing of “Protestants”.