Posted on 02/24/2010 11:17:16 AM PST by Pyro7480
III. Mary is our Mother and Queen of the New Davidic Kingdom
John 19:26 - Jesus makes Mary the Mother of us all as He dies on the Cross by saying "behold your mother." Jesus did not say "John, behold your mother" because he gave Mary to all of us, his beloved disciples. All the words that Jesus spoke on Cross had a divine purpose. Jesus was not just telling John to take care of his mother.
Rev. 12:17 - this verse proves the meaning of John 19:26. The "woman's" (Mary's) offspring are those who follow Jesus. She is our Mother and we are her offspring in Jesus Christ. The master plan of God's covenant love for us is family. But we cannot be a complete family with the Fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of Christ without the Motherhood of Mary.
John 2:3 - this is a very signifcant verse in Scripture. As our mother, Mary tells all of us to do whatever Jesus tells us. Further, Mary's intercession at the marriage feast in Cana triggers Jesus' ministry and a foreshadowing of the Eucharistic celebration of the Lamb. This celebration unites all believers into one famiy through the marriage of divinity and humanity.
John 2:7 - Jesus allows His mother to intercede for the people on His behalf, and responds to His mother's request by ordering the servants to fill the jars with water.
Psalm 45:9 - the psalmist teaches that the Queen stands at the right hand of God. The role of the Queen is important in God's kingdom. Mary the Queen of heaven is at the right hand of the Son of God.
1 Kings 2:17, 20 - in the Old Testament Davidic kingdom, the King does not refuse his mother. Jesus is the new Davidic King, and He does not refuse the requests of his mother Mary, the Queen.
1 Kings 2:18 - in the Old Testament Davidic kingdom, the Queen intercedes on behalf of the King's followers. She is the Queen Mother (or "Gebirah"). Mary is our eternal Gebirah.
1 Kings 2:19 - in the Old Testament Davidic kingdom the King bows down to his mother and she sits at his right hand. We, as children of the New Covenant, should imitate our King and pay the same homage to Mary our Mother. By honoring Mary, we honor our King, Jesus Christ.
1 Kings 15:13 - the Queen Mother is a powerful position in Israel's royal monarchy. Here the Queen is removed from office. But now, the Davidic kingdom is perfected by Jesus, and our Mother Mary is forever at His right hand.
2 Chron. 22:10 - here Queen Mother Athalia destroys the royal family of Judah after she sees her son, King Ahaziah, dead. The Queen mother plays a significant role in the kingdom.
Neh. 2:6 - the Queen Mother sits beside the King. She is the primary intercessor before the King.
Catholic ping!
Mary Queen of Knights, Pray for us!
55"Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother's name Mary, and aren't his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? 56Aren't all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?" 57And they took offense at him.
But Jesus said to them, "Only in his hometown and in his own house is a prophet without honor."
58And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith.
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Mary was the mother of several children and she was blessed by God the Father....and Jesus her son and my Saviour
Luke 1:36 - Elizabeth is Mary's kinswoman. Some Bibles translate kinswoman as "cousin," but this is an improper translation because in Hebrew and Aramaic, there is no word for "cousin."
Luke 22:32 - Jesus tells Peter to strengthen his "brethren." In this case, we clearly see Jesus using "brethren" to refer to the other apostles, not his biological brothers.
Acts 1:12-15 - the gathering of Jesus' "brothers" amounts to about 120. That is a lot of "brothers." Brother means kinsmen in Hebrew.
Acts 7:26; 11:1; 13:15,38; 15:3,23,32; 28:17,21 - these are some of many other examples where "brethren" does not mean blood relations.
Rom. 9:3 - Paul uses "brethren" and "kinsmen" interchangeably. "Brothers" of Jesus does not prove Mary had other children.
Gen. 11:26-28 - Lot is Abraham's nephew ("anepsios") / Gen. 13:8; 14:14,16 - Lot is still called Abraham's brother (adelphos") . This proves that, although a Greek word for cousin is "anepsios," Scripture also uses "adelphos" to describe a cousin.
Gen. 29:15 - Laban calls Jacob is "brother" even though Jacob is his nephew. Again, this proves that brother means kinsmen or cousin.
Deut. 23:7; 1 Chron. 15:5-18; Jer. 34:9; Neh. 5:7 -"brethren" means kinsmen. Hebrew and Aramaic have no word for "cousin."...
Mary is who she is because Jesus is what he is, the Catholic Church has always defined Mary with regards to Jesus as Lord and Savior.
That so many believe that devotion to her is detraction from Him is sad.
You really think scripture takes that much explaining?
Why not just be intellectually honest and consider that scripture means what it says and doesn’t need you twisting it to fit manmade dogma.
Why don't you ask any "Reformed" preacher after he gives his long sermon?
Please note that a direct quote from scripture says “and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.” NOTE THE DIRECT REFERENCE TO “THIS DISCIPLE”. NOT “ALL” (CAPS for emphasis, not shouting at you)
When you freelance scripture, you lose your audience. IMHO.
Correcting a posting error — my full post was actually—
I don’t usually get into these discussions, as I don’t “have a dog in this hunt” but...
Here’s the NIV translation of John 19:26-27 -—
26When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Dear woman, here is your son,” 27and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.
This is NOT what the author puts in his very first ‘scripture’ quotation and interpretation. See below:
**John 19:26 - Jesus makes Mary the Mother of us all as He dies on the Cross by saying “behold your mother.” Jesus did not say “John, behold your mother” because he gave Mary to all of us, his beloved disciples. **
I therefore find the very first line to contain a less than genuine reference to scripture, and cannot support in logic the conclusion that “he (sic) gave Mary to all of us”.
While a direct quote from scripture says “and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.” NOTE THE DIRECT REFERENCE TO “THIS DISCIPLE”.
When you freelance scripture, you lose your audience. IMHO.
26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. - John 19:26-27
The Scripture clearly states Jesus was speaking to His disciple (John), not His “disciples”, and that His “disciple” took her to “his own home”. He was making provision for His mother, not calling her the mother of all believers.
But hey, why let the Scriptures get in the way of a nice bit of heresy and goddess worship?
The interpretation that Jesus was not talking specifically to John but to every believer is contrary to the text. It is trying to force Scripture to fit a particular a priori theological position. Mary will be Semper Virgo by virtue of her relationship to Jesus, but it is plain from Scripture that she had other children in a natural way. The interpretation that Mary was physically a virgin throughout her life is based more upon the Roman Catholic view that virginity is a higher spiritual estate. The thought of Mary having sexual intercourse would somehow defile her.
But doesn't that run contrary to your claim that Jesus has brothers and sisters? If He perfectly fulfilled the law, He would have left His Mother to them.
As long as you trust (believe, adhere and follow) in the finished (once for all) work of Jesus Christ on the cross as all that is necessary for your salvation, and that all men (and women) born otherwise are in desparate need of this propitiary substitute payment for each of our personal sins, you are saved.
Mary, favored by God to be the human vessel to give human birth to Jesus the Christ, was in need of this salavation as are the rest of all mankind.
Homage, worship and adoration is reserved for God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, all else is idolatry.
Try reading the Bible (the Duay version if need be) alone and w/o commentary to see the single pointed thread common throughout-man is lost and needs God alone to provide a way out of the lost state.
Hey, It is after all, YOUR eternal life at stake.....
Jesus Goes to the Feast of Tabernacles
1After this, Jesus went around in Galilee, purposely staying away from Judea because the Jews there were waiting to take his life. 2But when the Jewish Feast of Tabernacles was near, 3Jesus' brothers said to him, "You ought to leave here and go to Judea, so that your disciples may see the miracles you do. 4No one who wants to become a public figure acts in secret. Since you are doing these things, show yourself to the world." 5For even his own brothers did not believe in him.
6Therefore Jesus told them, "The right time for me has not yet come; for you any time is right. 7The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify that what it does is evil. 8You go to the Feast. I am not yet[a] going up to this Feast, because for me the right time has not yet come." 9Having said this, he stayed in Galilee.
10However, after his brothers had left for the Feast, he went also, not publicly, but in secret.....
On the contrary, the burden of proof is on the "Reformed" to prove their charges of heresy and "goddess worship."
Is the important thing here whether Mary had children, or even whether Mary died a Virgin?
Isn’t the important thing here that somehow Mary gets to be “Queen” for all eternity, a position of power and authority that has no biblical reference?
Will all of the infallible arbiters of doctrine and infallible interpreters of Scripture present on this thread please identify themselves?
Is that your belief?
Pyro7480 is posting from SCRIPTURE catholic.
Why fear the scriptures, the more information the better.
The question is incredibly simple - is Matthew 13:55 referring to a term that always and only refers to a person’s biological brother and sister or did he use a term that is more inclusive of extended relatives referring to cousins, etc.
The original greek word is “adelphoi” which doesnt mean always biological brother and sister, it can mean cousin.
I think to be intellectually honest you have to accept that Matthew was not written in English and words have meanings and the most honest way to look at it is to go back to the original greek. By ignoring the original Greek and the meaning of the original greek you “are twisting it to fit (your) manmade (errant) dogma,” i.e. that Mary was not a perpetual virgin.
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