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To: rface
Jesus' "Brothers" (adelphoi)) = Cousins or Kinsmen

Luke 1:36 - Elizabeth is Mary's kinswoman. Some Bibles translate kinswoman as "cousin," but this is an improper translation because in Hebrew and Aramaic, there is no word for "cousin."

Luke 22:32 - Jesus tells Peter to strengthen his "brethren." In this case, we clearly see Jesus using "brethren" to refer to the other apostles, not his biological brothers.

Acts 1:12-15 - the gathering of Jesus' "brothers" amounts to about 120. That is a lot of "brothers." Brother means kinsmen in Hebrew.

Acts 7:26; 11:1; 13:15,38; 15:3,23,32; 28:17,21 - these are some of many other examples where "brethren" does not mean blood relations.

Rom. 9:3 - Paul uses "brethren" and "kinsmen" interchangeably. "Brothers" of Jesus does not prove Mary had other children.

Gen. 11:26-28 - Lot is Abraham's nephew ("anepsios") / Gen. 13:8; 14:14,16 - Lot is still called Abraham's brother (adelphos") . This proves that, although a Greek word for cousin is "anepsios," Scripture also uses "adelphos" to describe a cousin.

Gen. 29:15 - Laban calls Jacob is "brother" even though Jacob is his nephew. Again, this proves that brother means kinsmen or cousin.

Deut. 23:7; 1 Chron. 15:5-18; Jer. 34:9; Neh. 5:7 -"brethren" means kinsmen. Hebrew and Aramaic have no word for "cousin."...

5 posted on 02/24/2010 11:33:01 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

You really think scripture takes that much explaining?

Why not just be intellectually honest and consider that scripture means what it says and doesn’t need you twisting it to fit manmade dogma.


7 posted on 02/24/2010 11:36:25 AM PST by Jedidah (Character, courage, common sense are more important than issues.)
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To: Pyro7480
John 7

Jesus Goes to the Feast of Tabernacles

1After this, Jesus went around in Galilee, purposely staying away from Judea because the Jews there were waiting to take his life. 2But when the Jewish Feast of Tabernacles was near, 3Jesus' brothers said to him, "You ought to leave here and go to Judea, so that your disciples may see the miracles you do. 4No one who wants to become a public figure acts in secret. Since you are doing these things, show yourself to the world." 5For even his own brothers did not believe in him.

6Therefore Jesus told them, "The right time for me has not yet come; for you any time is right. 7The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify that what it does is evil. 8You go to the Feast. I am not yet[a] going up to this Feast, because for me the right time has not yet come." 9Having said this, he stayed in Galilee.

10However, after his brothers had left for the Feast, he went also, not publicly, but in secret.....

15 posted on 02/24/2010 12:06:48 PM PST by rface
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To: Pyro7480
Luke 1:36 - Elizabeth is Mary's kinswoman. Some Bibles translate kinswoman as "cousin," but this is an improper translation because in Hebrew and Aramaic, there is no word for "cousin."

You know why that doesn't matter??? Because the New Testament wasn't written in Hebrew or Aramaic...It was written in Greek where there is the word cousin...

You mess with that book and God messes with your mind so that you invent all kinds of unbiblical stories about Mary...

176 posted on 05/14/2010 4:57:19 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Pyro7480; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; ...
What unmitigated illogical, irrational, balderdash.

Mathew 13:
55"Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother's name Mary, and aren't his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? 56Aren't all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?" 57And they took offense at him.

New International Version (©1984)
"Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother's name Mary, and aren't his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?

New Living Translation (©2007)
Then they scoffed, "He's just the carpenter's son, and we know Mary, his mother, and his brothers--James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas.

English Standard Version (©2001)
Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?

International Standard Version (©2008)
This is the builder's son, isn't it? His mother is named Mary, isn't she? His brothers are James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas, aren't they?

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother's name Mary? Aren't his brothers' names James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas?

King James Bible
Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

American King James Version
Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brothers, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

American Standard Version
Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joseph, and Simon, and Judas?

Bible in Basic English
Is not this the woodworker's son? is not his mother named Mary? and his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?

Douay-Rheims Bible
Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary, and his brethren James, and Joseph, and Simon, and Jude:

Darby Bible Translation
Is not this the son of the carpenter? Is not his mother called Mary, and his brethren James, and Joseph, and Simon, and Judas?

English Revised Version
Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joseph, and Simon, and Judas?

Webster's Bible Translation
Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

Weymouth New Testament
Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers, James, Joseph, Simon and Judah?

World English Bible
Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother called Mary, and his brothers, James, Joses, Simon, and Judas?

Young's Literal Translation
is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary, and his brethren James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

Geneva Study Bible
Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

People's New Testament
13:55,56 Is not this the carpenter's son? Joseph. Jesus was a carpenter also (Mr 6:3).

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http://www.doubleedgedsword.org/layout/inside.php?pgID=350

Jesus did have brothers, and yet Rome insists that what our passage means is that His cousins are the one’s being mentioned. Well, we need only go to the Greek language which identifies these brothers mentioned in our text.

The word for brothers in our passage is the Greek word adelphos from the connective particle "a" and "delphus", the womb; that is the same womb. And so, our text is saying that these relatives of Jesus are adelphos or of the same womb, thus brothers.

If John meant cousins he could have used the Greek word most often used which is anepsios. It means cousin, just as it’s used in COL 4:10 "My fellow prisoner Aristarchus sends you his greetings, as does Mark, the cousin of Barnabas."

But John uses the term for brothers because that’s exactly what he means. And of course we know that he had a few brothers as well as sisters.

It makes no sense to me--given the context of the text and the culture--AS WELL AS SIMPLE LOGIC, for the reference to have anything to do with cousins. Cousins were a dime a dozen and of NO USE IN THE ILLUSTRATION. The PURPOSE of the sentences is to HIGHLIGHT THE CLOSE SIBLING RELATIONSHIPS WITH JESUS. THAT'S the POINT!

Rubber 'Bible's,' dictionaries, histories, logic texts may comfort the Papist !!!!TRADITIONALISTS!!!!

However, God is not confused nor amused by such brazen mental gymnastics, trickery and shennanigans.

God have mercy on the confused and the blind. May God deal firmly and redemptively with the willfully blind.

193 posted on 05/14/2010 10:22:37 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Pyro7480; Quix

Why is it so important to Catholics that Mary be considered to always have been a virgin and not have had other children?


201 posted on 05/14/2010 10:58:34 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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