Posted on 02/24/2010 11:17:16 AM PST by Pyro7480
"Do whatever He tells you."
-Mary of Nazareth
The author above demostrates, using Scripture, that just as the earthly Davidic kingdom had a queen, the eternal Kingdom, which has no end, as Luke 1 states, which is ruled by THE Son of David, has a queen.
And you guys don’t worship Mary, huh?
God abandons Israel for worshiping the Queen of Heaven:
Jeremiah 44:
19 The women added, “When we burned incense to the Queen of Heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, did not our husbands know that we were making cakes like her image and pouring out drink offerings to her?”
20 Then Jeremiah said to all the people, both men and women, who were answering him, 21 “Did not the LORD remember and think about the incense burned in the towns of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem by you and your fathers, your kings and your officials and the people of the land? 22 When the LORD could no longer endure your wicked actions and the detestable things you did, your land became an object of cursing and a desolate waste without inhabitants, as it is today. 23 Because you have burned incense and have sinned against the LORD and have not obeyed him or followed his law or his decrees or his stipulations, this disaster has come upon you, as you now see.”
24 Then Jeremiah said to all the people, including the women, “Hear the word of the LORD, all you people of Judah in Egypt. 25 This is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: You and your wives have shown by your actions what you promised when you said, ‘We will certainly carry out the vows we made to burn incense and pour out drink offerings to the Queen of Heaven.’
“Go ahead then, do what you promised! Keep your vows! 26 But hear the word of the LORD, all Jews living in Egypt: ‘I swear by my great name,’ says the LORD, ‘that no one from Judah living anywhere in Egypt will ever again invoke my name or swear, “As surely as the Sovereign LORD lives.” 27 For I am watching over them for harm, not for good....
The Scriptures clearly refer to Jesus’ brothers and sisters in many places. He likely put her in John’s care because John was a believer and His brothers and sisters were not, at that point in time.
Also, if His brothers and sisters did not take on the obligation to care for their mother, it would be them violating the law, not Him. Arragning for a substiture “son” to care for her, would beatifully fulfill the spirit of the Law.
Of course, the Scriptures do not state why He commended Mary to John, so we don’t really know. What the Scriptures do state, and therefore we know beyond any doubt is that Jesus had brothers and sisters.
"It is truly right to bless you, Theotokos, ever blessed, most pure, and mother of our God. More honorable than the Cherubim, and beyond compare more glorious than the Seraphim, without corruption you gave birth to God the Word. We magnify you, the true Theotokos."
“And you guys don’t worship Mary, huh?”
That’s right, Catholics don’t worship Mary. If you worship Mary you get get kicked out.
Freegards
Yes, use that straw man again. You can’t argue with the Scrpture presented above though.
There is no reference in scripture to a position of "Queen" in the new Heaven, or the new Earth. There is no indication in Scripture that God desires, wants, or will have a "Queen", or that this "Queen" will serve with Jesus, the King of Kings.
Psalm 45:9 doesn't refer to God, it refers to David's earthly King, who did have a Queen:
Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.Note that God is referenced in verse 7, and is the God of the "thy" being referenced ("thy God"). So Verse 9's "thy" is the "thy" for whom God is God, not God. Putting them together, "God is your God, and on your right hand the queen stood".8All thy garments smell of myrrh, and aloes, and cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad.
9Kings' daughters were among thy honourable women: upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir.
1st Kings 2:18-19 are not about "intercession", they are about a son wanting to ask his father to get a wife for him, and doing so through the King's mother.
Worse, the result of that "intercession" was that the King refused, mocked his mother for allowing herself to be used, and swore to kill the son for petitioning him through his mother.
Hardly an "example" of some exalted Queen sitting on the right hand of God from whom we should ask for intercession:
18And Bathsheba said, Well; I will speak for thee unto the king.Scripture is not impossible to understand.19Bathsheba therefore went unto king Solomon, to speak unto him for Adonijah. And the king rose up to meet her, and bowed himself unto her, and sat down on his throne, and caused a seat to be set for the king's mother; and she sat on his right hand.
20Then she said, I desire one small petition of thee; I pray thee, say me not nay. And the king said unto her, Ask on, my mother: for I will not say thee nay.
21And she said, Let Abishag the Shunammite be given to Adonijah thy brother to wife.
22And king Solomon answered and said unto his mother, And why dost thou ask Abishag the Shunammite for Adonijah? ask for him the kingdom also; for he is mine elder brother; even for him, and for Abiathar the priest, and for Joab the son of Zeruiah.
23Then king Solomon sware by the LORD, saying, God do so to me, and more also, if Adonijah have not spoken this word against his own life.
actually......yes
See my post 29, which shows two of the scriptures referencing “queen” given above do not support the argument.
There is no scripture that indicates heaven will have a Queen, or that a Queen would be needed with Jesus as the King of Kings.
Even if you were to accept that Mary is somehow needed for intercession now because of our own imperfection keeping us from speaking directly to Jesus, the biblical intercessor, there is no reason to need an additional intermediary when we become perfect in Heaven.
We will be able to look directly upon the face of God, and will have everything we need. Why would anybody in Heaven use a 3rd-party intercessor at that point?
I certainly agree with that. I don't agree with your interpretation, though. Do you claim that your interpretation is infallibly correct?
I Kings 2:
13And Adonias the son of Haggith came to Bethsabee the mother of Solomon. And she said to him: Is thy coming peaceable? he answered: Peaceable. 14And he added: I have a word to speak with thee. She said to him: Speak. And he said: 15Thou knowest that the kingdom was nine, and all Israel had preferred me to be their king: but the kingdom is transferred, and is become my brother's: for it was appointed him by the Lord. 16Now therefore I ask one petition of thee: turn not away my face. And she said to him: Say on. 17And he said: I pray thee speak to king Solomon (for he cannot deny thee any thing) to give me Abisag the Sunamitess to wife. 18And Bethsabee said: Well, I will speak for thee to the king. 19Then Bethsabee came to king Solomon, to speak to him for Adonias: and the king arose to meet her, and bowed to her, and sat down upon his throne: and a throne was set for the king's mother, and she sat on his right hand. 20And she said to him: I desire one small petition of thee, do not put me to confusion. And the king said to her: My mother, ask: for I must not turn away thy face.
Obviously, Solomon ended up rejecting her request ... not because she didn't have the right to make it, but because it was an evil request.
The author addresses your point.
Psalm 45:9 - the psalmist teaches that the Queen stands at the right hand of God. The role of the Queen is important in God's kingdom. Mary the Queen of heaven is at the right hand of the Son of God.
Matthew understood the difference between Jesus’ fleshly and spiritual brothers and so did the person that alerted Jesus to their presence but that obvious statement of Matthew and Jesus would mean Mary had children by Joseph in the typical way.
As this site shows trying to fit myths into the Scriptures distorts the meaning of the Scriptures.(see the Protoevangelium of James)
From the Catholic translation: And I, John, who have heard and seen these things. And after I had heard and seen, I fell down to adore before the feet of the angel, who shewed me these things. And he said to me: See thou do it not: for I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them that keep the words of the prophecy of this book. Adore God.
Revelation 22: 8-9 Douay-Rheims Bible
So if the Angel tells John not to bow down and give him adoration and to reserve such adoration for God alone, then why do so many Catholics bow down before the feet of Mary and adore her?
Seems pretty clear that such behavior is forbidden.
“You can’t argue with the Scripture presented above though.”
Well, I shall give it a try.
The extrapolations and inferences given to these verses would never stand up in court.
The whole of Ps 45 is traditionally interpreted as a Messianic prophecy. Its immediate reference is to Solomon, who was a "type" (foreshadowing) of the Christ (cf 1 Chron 17:12-14). Don't take my word for that, take the word of the author of Hebrews 1:8-9, which quotes Ps 45 verbatim and says it speaks "of the Son".
The "Queen" referenced here is the Queen Mother (of Solomon, that is), who bore the title gebirah ("great lady") in Hebrew. That makes her precisely the "type" (foreshadowing) of the Queen Mother of the true Solomon, Jesus Christ.
Do a word search sometime through the historical books of the OT of how many times it mentions the king's mother (either by name or by relationship). You'll see that they're mentioned often.
Catholics are expressly forbidden from adoring Mary. Look it up.
The Church has excommunicated folks who were into adoring Mary.
So yes, such behaviour is indeed fobidden. That's why we don't do it, and kick out those who do.
Whew! If those are proofs of the Queenship of Mary then I’m the King of Spain.
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