Posted on 08/01/2008 10:34:24 AM PDT by OneVike
Few people might be aware of this: There are passages in the Bible that coincide with scientific principles that weren't discovered by scientists until hundreds of years after the Bible had been written. Here are some examples:
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Few people might be aware of this: There are passages in the Bible that coincide with scientific principles that weren't discovered by scientists until hundreds of years after the Bible had been written. Here are some examples:
Source: http://www.bible.ca/b-science-evidences.htm
1. The Bible said the earth is round and is suspended in space:
The earth is round!
You may be surprised to learn that the Bible revealed that the earth is round. Job 26:10, Prov 8:27, Isaiah 40:22, Amos 9:6. Today, we chuckle at the people of the fifteenth century who feared sailing because they thought they would fall over the edge of the flat earth. Yet the Bible revealed the truth in 1000 B.C. 2500 years before man discovered it for himself!
In various verses, the Bible says the earth is round and hangs in space. It took a long time for science to catch up and reach the same conclusions. Copernicus made the discovery in 1475. But the Bible always knew. Here are two related Bible verses that were written more than 2500 years ago, and more than 1000 years before Copernicus:
"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth..." (Isaiah 40:22,NIV). (By the way, the Hebrew language at that time did not have a word for "sphere," only for "circle.")
"He spreads out the northern [skies] over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing" (Job 26:7, NIV).
"Paths of the sea" Matthew Maury (1806-1873) is considered the father of oceanography. He was bed-ridden during a serious illness and asked his son to read a portion of the Bible to him. While listening, he noticed the expression "paths of the sea" in Psalms 8:8. Upon his recovery, Maury took God at his word and went looking for these paths. We are indebted to his discovery of the warm and cold continental currents.
His book on oceanography is still considered a basic text on the subject and is still used in universities. Maury used the Bible as a
2. The Bible described the Hydrologic Cycle:
Revealed in the Bible: Job 36:27-28 The water cycle was not fully understood until about 30 B.C. by a Roman engineer named Marcus Vitruvius. Yet every aspect of the water cycle was fully revealed to mankind in 1600 B.C.! The Bible's description is in perfect harmony with modern science. Eccl 1:6-7; 11:3; Job 26:8; Amos 9:6. Vitruvius was 1600 years too late!
In various passages, the Bible describes a hydrologic cycle, the process by which clouds are formed, rain is produced and ground water is replenished. Science made the same discovery in the 1600s, long after the Bible passages were written. Here are the related Bible verses:
"He wraps up the waters in his clouds, yet the clouds do not burst under their weight" (Job 26:8, NIV).
"He draws up the drops of water, which distill as rain to the streams; the clouds pour down their moisture and abundant showers fall on mankind" (Job 36:27-28, NIV).
"The wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round it goes, ever returning on its course. All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full. To the place the streams come from, there they return again" (Ecclesiastes 1:6-7, NIV).
3. The Bible stated that the stars cannot be counted: For centuries, scientists and astronomers thought they could count the precise number of stars in the universe. Brahe, for example, said there were 777. Kepler claimed the total was 1,005. Hipparchus said there were 1,022 stars. Ptolemy raised the number to 1,056. Eventually, scientists, including the great Galileo, concluded that the stars could not be numbered, just as the Bible had always claimed:
"I will make the descendants of David my servant and the Levites who minister before me as countless as the stars of the sky and as measureless as the sand on the seashore" (Jeremiah 33:22, NIV).
He took him outside and said, "Look up at the heavens and count the stars--if indeed you can count them." Then he said to him, "So shall your offspring be." (Genesis 15:5, NIV).
4. The Bible stated the existence of valleys and springs in the seas: Only until the past few hundred years did people have the technology to discover that there are deep valleys and fresh water springs in the oceans. But the Bible always knew:
"The valleys of the sea were exposed and the foundations of the earth laid bare at the rebuke of the Lord. . . " (2 Samuel 22:16, NIV).
"In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month--on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. " (Genesis 7:11, NIV).
5. The Bible stated that kind words and laughter are good for one's health: In recent years, American newspapers have published various reports that laughter releases chemicals within a person's body that can contribute to one's health. And, that depression and stress can weaken the immune system and contribute to various health problems. But, the Bible knew of the health virtues of laughter roughly 3000 years ago when the Bible's book of Proverbs was recorded:
"Pleasant words are a honeycomb, sweet to the soul and healing to the bones." (Proverbs 16:24, NIV).
"A cheerful heart is good medicine, but a crushed spirit dries up the bones." (Proverbs 17:22, NIV).
6. The Bible stated that stars differ from one another centuries before scientists reached the same conclusion: Today we know that the stars in the skies are very different from one another, that they are made up of differing concentrations of different elements, and that they vary in their sizes, their ages and in their proximity to the earth. But the ancient people had no way to prove this. Even so, Paul, who received many insights from Jesus, wrote a passage about 2000 years ago in the Bible's book of 1 Corinthians that said that the stars in the heavens did indeed differ from one another:
"The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor." (1 Corinthians 15:41). God used "anesthesia" before it was even discovered:
gen. 2:21, "so the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep ; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs..."
God commanded the hebrews to cleanse themselves with fresh water even before the discovery of bacteria(God is in the tomorrow already!)
lev. 15:13, "...he must wash his clothes and bathe himself with fresh water, and he will be clean."
I am a nurse, and if we have patients with contagious disease or condition we isolate them. but God commanded this a long time ago:
lev. 13:46, "as long as he has the infection, he remains unclean. he must live alone . he must live outside the camp.
why do health officials quarantine infectious individuals? so they won't spread infection. God knew it even before they did!
The bible describes the precision of movement in the universe:
jer. 31:35, "thus says the Lord, who gives the sun for a light by day, the ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night, who disturbs the sea and its waves roar..."
The bible describes the circulation of atmosphere:
ecc. 1:6, "the wind goes toward the south and turns around to the north, the wind whirls about continually and comes again on its circuit."
The bible includes some principles of fluid dynamics:
job 28:25, "to establish the weight for a wind and apportion the waters by measure."
lev.17:11 describes the value of blood, "for the life of the flesh is in the blood..."
The bible describes something like a television, probably a satellite TV that will allow everyone to see a single event:
rev. 11:19, "...then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues and nations will see their dead bodies for three and one half days..."
6 DAY CREATION...
GOD WAS TAKING HIS TIME If a fair maiden kisses a frog which instantly changes into a handsome prince, we would call it a fairy tale. But if the change takes 40 million years, we call it evolution. We often hear that science has proved evolution. Nothing could be further from the truth. You see, people often confuse scientific fact with scientific theory. Current scientific theory does conflict with creation. But the facts of science do not! There are many scientists who fully accept Biblical creation. Surprised?
The theory of evolution says that over millions of years simple life forms (one celled creatures) slowly evolved into complex life forms (fish), and that one kind of animal evolved into another kind (ape to man). Genesis, on the other hand, says that all life forms were created in six, 24 hour days. Genesis chapter one states 10 times that life forms can only reproduce after their own kind (ape to ape, man to man).
All the observable facts of science strongly support the Bible's claim that it is impossible for one kind to reproduce a different kind. The truth is, there is absolutely no tangible evidence to support evolution from any area of science, just theory and a wild imagination!
But if the Bible is wrong and man actually did evolve in small graduations over a long period of time, we should find ample fossil evidence of links in intermediate stages of transition. For decades, evolutionists have searched for fossils of these links to prove biblical creation wrong. Although millions of fossils have been unearthed, not even one missing link has ever been found. Has it ever occurred to you that this is the reason why scientists refer to them as missing links?
Even Charles Darwin realized the difficulty missing links gave his theory. Darwin wrote in his book, Origin Of The Species, "Why, if species have descended from other species by fine graduation, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms? Why is not all nature in confusion, instead of the species being, as we see them, well defined?" The reason we have never found any missing links is quite simple. Darwin's theory of evolution is wrong!
Experts tricked for 40 years! In 1912, Arthur Woodward announced to the world that he had found the missing link between ape and man. Piltdown Man, as he called it, consisted of a jaw bone and a piece of skull which he estimated to be over 500,000 years old! However, in 1953, when the new fluoride dating process was applied to the bones, scientists were shocked to learn that the jaw bone was less than 50 years old.
Only then did they notice that the bones and teeth had been treated with salts and filed to make them appear old and primitive. In other words, Piltdown Man was a complete fraud. Take note Bible student! The world's foremost scientific experts had been fooled for over 40 years! (Read 1 Corinthians 3:18-20.) For almost a half century, evolutionists pushed Piltdown Man in the faces of Bible believers as scientific proof we evolved from apes! Some proof!
In spite of over 100 years of intensive searching, the only place you will find a missing link today is in the colourful imagination of an evolutionist. Museums certainly don't have any! "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." (Gen 1:1) Have you ever considered that when God created the universe in six short 24 hour days, He may have been taking His time?
Although the Bible is not primarily a book of science, it does contain numerous scientific facts. We laugh at the scientific knowledge of just a hundred years ago. If man alone were the author of the Bible, we would expect to find many such humorous errors contained in it. However, if we examine the scientific data of the Bible and find it to be accurate to present-day knowledge, then we have powerful evidence for divine authorship.
The scientific facts we are about to examine are not only accurate, but were revealed thousands of years before man discovered them for himself. The Bible does not contain any errors typical of the time in which it was written. Would we expect anything less from a book written by God?
The Bible is a reliable book of genuine divine prophecy. You can trust it! The evidence presented here is just a tiny portion of the proofs available to establish the divine origin of the Bible. Yet, they are more than sufficient to prove the inspiration of the Bible. There will always be men who scoff at the Bible. You, however, can be confident when you read your Bible that God is the author, for it is written:
"We constantly thank God that when you received from us the word of God's message, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God" (1 Thessalonians 2:13).
The Bible is the world's all-time best selling book. About 2.5 billion copies have been printed which are available in over 700 languages. Although the Bible has enjoyed such vast distribution and attention, it is read relatively little. Perhaps part of the reason the Bible is so neglected is the many doubts people have about this unique book. If the Bible came from the mouth of God, then the scriptures are believable when they speak of Jesus Christ and accurate when they touch the realm of science.
All scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. (2 Timothy 3:16,17)
The word "inspired" (theopneustos) in the original Greek language literally means "God-breathed". When the Bible claims to be inspired, we understand therefore, that it came from the mouth of God. It is God-breathed, inspired.
But a skeptic will say, "Everyone knows the Bible was written by men! The book of 1 Corinthians, for example, was written by a man named Paul. After all, the very first verse bears his name as the "author." In reply to this we answer: "Yes, 1 Corinthians was written by Paul. Notice however, what Paul said in chapter 14, verse 37: "the things I write to you are the Lord's commandment."
Paul knew the source of his writings and understood that he was like a pen in the hand of Almighty God. We must not view the Bible as the word of Paul, Peter, or Jeremiah, but rather, as the message God revealed through these men just as it is written in Jeremiah 1:9,
Then the Lord stretched out his hand and touched my mouth, and the Lord said to me, 'behold, I have put my words in your mouth'.
The Bible writers were not like news reporters giving their personal interpretation of events they eye-witnessed, but were divinely guided as 2 Peter 1:20-21 says,
Above all, you must understand that no prophesy of scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
God and man worked together in writing the scriptures. However, in this work, God is the author who dictated the message, and man is the writing instrument. Men were guided or inspired to write the exact message God wanted recorded in the Bible. Now that we have a fundamental understanding of inspiration and the origin of the Bible, let us look at some evidence of inspiration.
"We constantly thank God that when you received from us the word of God's message, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God" (1 Thessalonians 2:13).
mega-dittoes
This is satire, right?
Just another noter for those who care;
In the book of Job a Dinosaur is presciently described by God in His discussion with Job in Job 40:15-24;
15)”Look now at the behemoth,[1] which I made along with you;
He eats grass like an ox.
16) See now, his strength is in his hips,
And his power is in his stomach muscles.
17) He moves his tail like a cedar;
The sinews of his thighs are tightly knit.
18) His bones are like beams of bronze,
His ribs like bars of iron.
19) He is the first of the ways of God;
Only He who made him can bring near His sword.
20) Surely the mountains yield food for him,
And all the beasts of the field play there.
21) He lies under the lotus trees,
In a covert of reeds and marsh.
22) The lotus trees cover him with their shade;
The willows by the brook surround him.
23) Indeed the river may rage,
Yet he is not disturbed;
He is confident, though the Jordan gushes into his mouth,
24) Though he takes it in his eyes,
Or one pierces his nose with a snare.
You must admit that the entire description given in these verses fit certain types of dinosaurs very well. But we’re going to zero in on one particular verse. It’s in verse 17 it says, “He moveth his tail like a cedar:”.
This verse alone should be enough to put the whole issue to rest as to whether or not God is describing a dinosaur to Job in this verse. Keep in mind, God is talking to Job about a living animal, that Job is familiar with. What land creatures do we know of today that have tails the size of a cedar tree?
How big is a cedar tree you might ask, well lets see what an expert from the University of Arizona department of tree ring studies, A Mr. Henri D. Grissino-Mayer has to say;
He was asked this by a curious investigator and the Professor was kind enough to send his reply in a letter. Here is his answer;
Well this certainly is one of the more original questions I’ve ever answered. In the Middle East, there are several species of trees that would qualify for “cedar” status. Basically, any juniper-like tree can be called a cedar. However, the tree most likely referred to is the famous well-known species called “Cedrus libani”, or “cedar-of-Lebanon,” a beautiful and stately tree that grows in the Middle East. These trees can be quite large! I worked on cross-sections from one tree that were about 1.5 meters in diameter. The tree can attain heights greater than 40 meters with a diameter greater than 3 meters! The tree is a favorite nursery tree and is now planted all over the world, even many here in Tucson, Arizona. Hope this helps.
Henri
Henri D. Grissino-Mayer
Laboratory of Tree-Ring Research
The University of Arizona
Tucson, Arizona 85721 USA
For those who think Christians are Flat Earth people, I must say that the true Flat Earthers are those who refuse to look at all the evidence. Like those of the “Global Warming” crowd.
Not!
It is Fact!
Do you have the guts to check out my facts? Or will you just dismiss it with out investigation, like the Global Warming crowd.
Ping to read later
Rather than refute these claims again, here is a link to Index to Creationist Claims where these, and hundreds of other claims are refuted.
But if anyone wants to discuss the specifics of fossil man, and the claims in this article, fossil man was one of my fields in graduate school and I would be happy to discuss the details.
In various verses, the Bible says the earth is round and hangs in space. It took a long time for science to catch up and reach the same conclusions. Copernicus made the discovery in 1475...
Nonsense. The ancient Greeks knew the world was round during the Classical period.
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_earth
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I thought that all of you Darwin Central folks abandoned Free Republic.
How does it explain Noah being able to track down tens of thousands of land-dwelling species for his ark, let alone actually fitting them on the ark, and doing this all without the animals killing & eating each other and/or Noah?
“”Why, if species have descended from other species by fine graduation, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms?”
^ A question I have wondered about myself.
“Do you have the guts to check out my facts? Or will you just dismiss it with out investigation, like the Global Warming crowd.”
I certainly do have the guts to investigate your claim. Let us take your first claim and investigate it.
“1. The Bible said the earth is round and is suspended in space:
The earth is round!
You may be surprised to learn that the Bible revealed that the earth is round. Job 26:10,”
The earth is a sphere, but I quibble. Let us see what your primary piece of evidence says : )
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
“He has inscribed a circle on the surface of the waters At the boundary of light and darkness.
Is that describing a globe hanging in space?
GOD’S WORD® Translation (©1995)
He marks the horizon on the surface of the water at the boundary where light meets dark.
Is that describing a globe hanging in space?
King James Bible
He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end.
Is that describing a globe hanging in space?
American King James Version
He has compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end.
Is that describing a globe hanging in space?
American Standard Version
He hath described a boundary upon the face of the waters, Unto the confines of light and darkness.
Is that describing a globe hanging in space?
Bible in Basic English
By him a circle is marked out on the face of the waters, to the limits of the light and the dark.
Is that describing a globe hanging in space?
Douay-Rheims Bible
He hath set bounds about the waters, till light and darkness come to an end.
Is that describing a globe hanging in space?
Darby Bible Translation
He hath traced a fixed circle over the waters, unto the confines of light and darkness.
Is that describing a globe hanging in space?
English Revised Version
He hath described a boundary upon the face of the waters, unto the confines of light and darkness.
Is that describing a globe hanging in space?
Webster’s Bible Translation
He hath encompassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end.
Is that describing a globe hanging in space?
World English Bible
He has described a boundary on the surface of the waters, and to the confines of light and darkness.
Is that describing a globe hanging in space?
Young’s Literal Translation
A limit He hath placed on the waters, Unto the boundary of light with darkness.
Is that describing a globe hanging in space?
I have grabbed as many translations of Job 26:10 as I could. Obviously it seems to be describing a circle drawn out of the water. This is your biblical evidence that the Bible accurately portrays reality? Beating Science to the punch?
I am sorry but this is pathetic. You would be better off if you claimed that the Bible was best science the ancient world was capable of. I think you could make that case except that the Greeks and Chinese might disagree.
I'm the rear guard. I'm fighting a holding action. ;-)
And I claim that every one of your and the arguments by your socalled flat earthers has been refuted as bogus. Need I give the sites?
Forgive me for my exuberance but here are just a couple of sites that have had your secular scientists for lunch.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/
http://www.carm.org/evarchive.htm
How about a list of reputable scientists who think your side is dead wrong?
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/
How about a Muslim site? They have the wrong God, but they have good scientific evidence that you cannot refute without twisting words and obfuscating the argument
http://www.harunyahya.com/index.php
Again, No! your side has not won arguments, they have lost every debate they have been in and will continue to loose debates.
days
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If Hebrew did not have a word for sphere in those days, I bet it didn’t have a word for eon or millions of years either.
The word “days” is probably the best word they could find for a period of time that took much longer. Or “day” could refer to one of God’s days for which we have no reference even today.
Next time try the Hebrew translation, or the Greek Translation. And look up what the original writers had to say elsewhere. You will find many writings of ancient scholars who know what the word said. You can take all the translations you want, but until you understand the truth you will try to refute. You are wrong in your interpretations of these scriptures. Read them again, and this time read, do not cut and paste something someone else wrote!
“5. The Bible stated that kind words and laughter are good for one’s health: In recent years, American newspapers have published various reports that laughter releases chemicals within a person’s body that can contribute to one’s health. And, that depression and stress can weaken the immune system and contribute to various health problems. But, the Bible knew of the health virtues of laughter roughly 3000 years ago when the Bible’s book of Proverbs was recorded:
“Pleasant words are a honeycomb, sweet to the soul and healing to the bones.” (Proverbs 16:24, NIV).
“A cheerful heart is good medicine, but a crushed spirit dries up the bones.” (Proverbs 17:22, NIV).”
Methinks people realized a very, very, very long time ago that laughter and cheerfulness made people feel better than stress and sadness. By golly, I’ll bet people were well aware of it before the Bible was written.
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